Now that we have a misogynist as the head of our country, how will America's values change in 4yrs?

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fskimospy

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If the world was following our example for past 16 years they would be bombing every 3rd world nation into oblivion and ginning up civil wars. I am uncertain of any nation that has acted more reprehensibly than my own for the past few decades. If Trump wants to make America's global impact even worse he is going to have to work very hard at it. I have every confidence he will succeed in that endeavor.

How about Russia?
 

DAPUNISHER

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While I appreciate your free advice I'm having a hard time finding out how to express how little I am worried that other people might think I'm sad that Legendkiller called me a beta male who spent his younger years watching those true alphas steal all my hot girls with their cool cars.
While I certainly understand the banter between you two, I never take the bait. If readers cannot understand it does not dignify a response, then I care not what level of esteem or lack thereof, they have for me.
 

senseamp

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Just look at Russia, bigoted, misogynistic kleptocracy with a charismatic leader loved by the uneducated masses for making it "great again" while the country self destructs and the best and the brightest flee.
 

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If the world was following our example for past 16 years they would be bombing every 3rd world nation into oblivion and ginning up civil wars. I am uncertain of any nation that has acted more reprehensibly than my own for the past few decades. If Trump wants to make America's global impact even worse he is going to have to work very hard at it. I have every confidence he will succeed in that endeavor.
From my perspective your's is warped. We prosecute war in a way far too civilized for those we engage in it with. And our actions have been far less reprehensible than those we are in conflict with.

The media narrative paints a picture that is a poor reflection of reality. The vast majority of us are unaffected by whatever the daily manufactured outrage is about. Problems will always exist, but we deal with them, on a statistical level, very well. Despite all the FUD to the contrary. Have some confidence in your society, it is not nearly so fractured or divisive as what dominates the news cycle.
 

bshole

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How about Russia?

We have been worse than Russia. I could enumerate the reasons why but I am sure you are aware of the facts already. That is not to say that Russia is clean either (far from it), we are just dirtier.
 

fskimospy

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We have been worse than Russia. I could enumerate the reasons why but I am sure you are aware of the facts already. That is not to say that Russia is clean either (far from it), we are just dirtier.

I'd be very interested to see how you think the US has been worse than Russia because my strong suspicion is that you have no idea the scope and breadth of Russian atrocities in the last few decades.
 

bshole

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From my perspective your's is warped. We prosecute war in a way far too civilized for those we engage in it with. And our actions have been far less reprehensible than those we are in conflict with.

The media narrative paints a picture that is a poor reflection of reality. The vast majority of us are unaffected by whatever the daily manufactured outrage is about. Problems will always exist, but we deal with them, on a statistical level, very well. Despite all the FUD to the contrary. Have some confidence in your society, it is not nearly so fractured or divisive as what dominates the news cycle.

This has NOTHING to do with HOW we prosecute a war. It has everything to do with WHO gave us the authority to prosecute war against nations that present NO threat and WHY we prosecute a war. We run around toppling regimes and leaving chaos and civil war behind. We don't even feign that there is a remote bit of American interest involved. Increasingly it appears that our foreign policy in the Middle East is to topple the regimes that Saudi Arabia directs us to. Why should our foreign policy be dictated by a country that is a primary incubator of Islamic terrorism? How in the hell can any of this mayhem be defended on a moral basis or a national interest basis?
 

bshole

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I'd be very interested to see how you think the US has been worse than Russia because my strong suspicion is that you have no idea the scope and breadth of Russian atrocities in the last few decades.

Have they topped the million deaths due to American interventions? Count up the deaths from Syria/Libya/Iraq since 2000. That is all on America's head and that is just the start.
 

Chiropteran

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You mean like the sexual assault charge he's going on trial for in December, or the dozens of women who've complained about Trump's sexual assault and don't have the on-camera evidence needed to convict him?

like this one? http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770

http://ijr.com/2016/11/730761-woman...dramatically-dropped-lawsuit-now-we-know-why/

"A source with knowledge of the controversial case told DailyMail.com: “Katie Johnson's account had been believable and compelling right up until the last minute.”

But new information emerged that suggested she had not been telling the truth.

“Ultimately it was discovered that Donald Trump's name had been inserted into this, he was not involved whatsoever. After that she had no credibility.”"

The part that doesn't make sense, at all, is waiting until now. It's obviously a calculated move.
 

LegendKiller

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like this one? http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770

http://ijr.com/2016/11/730761-woman...dramatically-dropped-lawsuit-now-we-know-why/

"A source with knowledge of the controversial case told DailyMail.com: “Katie Johnson's account had been believable and compelling right up until the last minute.”

But new information emerged that suggested she had not been telling the truth.

“Ultimately it was discovered that Donald Trump's name had been inserted into this, he was not involved whatsoever. After that she had no credibility.”"

The part that doesn't make sense, at all, is waiting until now. It's obviously a calculated move.
He should sue the fuck out of Alred's daughter, the patent attorney, and the jerry springer exec and find out who put them up to it. Probably Brock.

Forget the hoaxer, the puppet master is the key.
 

Commodus

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like this one? http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770

http://ijr.com/2016/11/730761-woman...dramatically-dropped-lawsuit-now-we-know-why/

"A source with knowledge of the controversial case told DailyMail.com: “Katie Johnson's account had been believable and compelling right up until the last minute.”

But new information emerged that suggested she had not been telling the truth.

“Ultimately it was discovered that Donald Trump's name had been inserted into this, he was not involved whatsoever. After that she had no credibility.”"

The part that doesn't make sense, at all, is waiting until now. It's obviously a calculated move.

Blah. At the same time, it doesn't change Trump's known pattern of harassment and objectification, his fondness for sexist insults, his overall lack of sympathy for women...
 

fskimospy

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Have they topped the million deaths due to American interventions? Count up the deaths from Syria/Libya/Iraq since 2000. That is all on America's head and that is just the start.

All of those outside of Iraq are of course not just on America's head, and your 'million casualties' figure is dubious at best. Did you miss the Russian intervention in Syria, for example? Let me guess though, you will arbitrarily declare that the US's fault and absolve them of responsibility.

Outside of that, let's go with a few of the greatest hits:

1. About 300,000-400,000 dead in Chechnya in their two wars there.
2. About 100,000 dead in Tajikistan.
3. Tens of thousands killed during the Russian intervention in Ukraine.
4. Whatever portion of Syria's casualties you want to assign to Russia as a result of their intervention there.

While estimates on Iraq's casualties vary widely depending on what standard you use, Russia has really racked up the body count while repeatedly invading their neighbors over the years.
 

LegendKiller

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Blah. At the same time, it doesn't change Trump's known pattern of harassment and objectification, his fondness for sexist insults, his overall lack of sympathy for women...
Alleged pattern, brought forth by several women who have been proven liars already.

Nice try lefty, you fell for the programming. Try to de hypnotize yourself.
 

Commodus

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Alleged pattern, brought forth by several women who have been proven liars already.

Nice try lefty, you fell for the programming. Try to de hypnotize yourself.

Dozens. Not "several." And where's your proof besides Trump calling them liars and threatening to sue them all?

And besides, the guy is on the record as practically bragging about groping women, insults them based on their looks and cheated on his first two wives. Do you really want to stand up for a sexist asshole?
 

LegendKiller

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Dozens. Not "several." And where's your proof besides Trump calling them liars and threatening to sue them all?

And besides, the guy is on the record as practically bragging about groping women, insults them based on their looks and cheated on his first two wives. Do you really want to stand up for a sexist asshole?
There aren't dozens of credible and proven.

Ohh gawd no, not insulting them on their looks. The horror! Next we will criminalize insulting them at all. Not fair to fight back against women. They are a protected class!
 

Grooveriding

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Trump is a just a lousy POS human being. Low class, low brow and simple. Depending on your ideas of what matters, morally he can be pretty repugnant. If you are worried about values though and influence over your lifestyle, this is the nut I would be more concerned with:


That there are people like this, and a significant minority of them, who believe this sort of crazy shit and can attain positions of political influence is a sad commentary on how uneducated, disconnected, deluded.. take your pick, a large swathe of people are to have put him there.
 

cbrunny

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There aren't dozens of credible and proven.

Ohh gawd no, not insulting them on their looks. The horror! Next we will criminalize insulting them at all. Not fair to fight back against women. They are a protected class!
you sound like a male-rights-headed woman beater. I pray you're not married, or generally around women ever.
 

Commodus

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There aren't dozens of credible and proven.

Ohh gawd no, not insulting them on their looks. The horror! Next we will criminalize insulting them at all. Not fair to fight back against women. They are a protected class!

Credible yes, proven no.

And here's the thing about insulting women based on looks: this is the President. He's supposed to embody the best of the country's values and set an example. A man who rates women on a 10-point scale, calls average-sized women "fat" and attacks political rivals based on how attractive they are is not presidential... he's a scumbag. You have the right to say terrible things in the US; that doesn't make them good, or excusable for someone who's going to run the entire country.
 

bshole

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All of those outside of Iraq are of course not just on America's head, and your 'million casualties' figure is dubious at best. Did you miss the Russian intervention in Syria, for example? Let me guess though, you will arbitrarily declare that the US's fault and absolve them of responsibility.

Outside of that, let's go with a few of the greatest hits:

1. About 300,000-400,000 dead in Chechnya in their two wars there.
2. About 100,000 dead in Tajikistan.
3. Tens of thousands killed during the Russian intervention in Ukraine.
4. Whatever portion of Syria's casualties you want to assign to Russia as a result of their intervention there.

While estimates on Iraq's casualties vary widely depending on what standard you use, Russia has really racked up the body count while repeatedly invading their neighbors over the years.

Russia was ASKED into Syria by the Syrian government. America was not asked into Syria/Libya or Iraq by their respective governments. That is a significant difference. Russia and Syria have been allies for a very long time. I would expect Russia to side with their ally in a time of crisis, that is the entire point of alliances. Russian intervention is therefor explainable and rational. OTOH, American intervention is completely inexplicable. We arbitrarily decided we had a dog in this hunt because Saudi Arabia or some wealthy American arms manufacturer decided that we did; or perhaps we just wanted to stick a finger in Russia's eye. Apparently the American people are not deserving of a lucid reason to intervene anymore, our oligarchy has moved on from petty notions like that.

It should be noted that each of the countries America meddled in were left SIGNIFICANTLY worse off for the intervention. Russia is at least attempting to stabilize Syria by backing the only secular force in the region. Our intervention appears only targeted at destroying infrastructure, generating instability and ensuring maximum suffering for the those that survive.
 

MajinCry

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He actually said there was consent. He said, quote "they let you do it".

Just like Deuteronomy 22:24 says, if they don't cry out, it's not rape.

The social values of a rapacious Kyrgyz marauder. Classy.
 

Chiropteran

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Just like Deuteronomy 22:24 says, if they don't cry out, it's not rape.

The social values of a rapacious Kyrgyz marauder. Classy.

Well, that *is* the defining factor.

If it's unwanted, it's rape. If it's consensual, it's not rape.

Consent takes many forms. A smile, look, and nod can mean consent without saying a word.
 

IronWing

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Trump is a just a lousy POS human being. Low class, low brow and simple. Depending on your ideas of what matters, morally he can be pretty repugnant. If you are worried about values though and influence over your lifestyle, this is the nut I would be more concerned with:


That there are people like this, and a significant minority of them, who believe this sort of crazy shit and can attain positions of political influence is a sad commentary on how uneducated, disconnected, deluded.. take your pick, a large swathe of people are to have put him there.
He almost implies that Darwin was an American. I wonder if he knows anything about Darwin other than the name? I also wonder if he knows that Scopes lost the trial?
 

bshole

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Well, that *is* the defining factor.

If it's unwanted, it's rape. If it's consensual, it's not rape.

Consent takes many forms. A smile, look, and nod can mean consent without saying a word.

..or not fighting back strongly enough to leave marks
 

MajinCry

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Well, that *is* the defining factor.

If it's unwanted, it's rape. If it's consensual, it's not rape.

Consent takes many forms. A smile, look, and nod can mean consent without saying a word.

My mom smiled at me, ergo, I can rape her and it's okay. Besides, I'm stronger than her and the weak can't do anything but let the strong do as they want; that's consent, according to you.


Wee question. When did you escape from Broadmoor?
 
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