And yet people still do. How many got a 680, then 780, then 980? Nvidia lives in a world where its customers are more than willing to upgrade.
And yet people still do. How many got a 680, then 780, then 980? Nvidia lives in a world where its customers are more than willing to upgrade.
Not in DX-12/Vulkan, only in DX-11
Out of necessity. Why do you think this is a good thing for consumers?Nvidia lives in a world where its customers are more than willing to upgrade.
AMD will also release a new card (Vega) that will be even faster than Polaris and after than they have another one (Navi). Ohhn and at that time there will be more than 80-100Million GCN consoles.
Not in DX-12/Vulkan, only in DX-11
Correct me if I'm wrong, but even in DX-12/Vulkan, AMD's offerings aren't outperforming Nvidia in performance/watt, right?
I mean, I get that maybe in absolute performance the 480 offers better bang for the buck as to consumers, but that doesn't mean AMD is beating or even matched Nvidia in terms of board cost and power efficiency.
Yeah now i definitely can see the Genius of AMD Going Lowend First.
1. Launch RX480 with little to no stock available anywhere.
2. Price it more than the current price of 970.
3. Weeks later still no custom boards available.
4. Competition comes out with faster card at lower price.
5. Competition already has custom cards available for purchase.
6. Profit??? (for the competition)
Yeah Now I See the Genius of AMD Going Lowend First
With Cards in stock TODAY, RX 480 is cheaper with 2GB more Ram and Faster in DX-12/Vulkan.
If you want you can go to ocuk and buy them
Cheapest RX 480 4GB RAM in stock at 189 UK pounds
Cheapest RX 480 8GB RAM in stock at 225 UK pounds
Cheapest GTX 1060 6GB RAM in stock at 270 UK pounds
...except that AMD is the one that's significantly behind in perf/watt and perf/mm2.
The console deals are negligible compared to the killing that Nvidia makes from Quadro and Tesla.
Also, strategically speaking, the console deals are not set in stone. If Nvidia wishes -- as in, if it deems that AMD's position in the console market is actually threatening -- it could easily meet Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo half way. Pair that up with a cheap Intel quad (Core or Atom based), and hey presto, you've got a potent x86 console.
.Depends on the game. Again, this is not a rock solid position. Who's to say that Nvidia won't TWIMTBP its way through the DX12 era?
You have to stop deluding yourself. AMD needs to beef up its perf/watt and perf/mm2 by an order of a magnitude and it needs to crack into the HPC market and tap into those huge margins.
Consoles, Apple and the RX 480/470/460 wins are good, but the margins are thin and they can easily be negged.
Depends on the title, really.
Depends on the title, really.
Yeah you're right.In UK its cheaper but in mine its RX480~$400 and 1060~$340.
What you don't mention is the 480's are reference, and no one's going to buy a reference 480 because cooling/power/etc is rubbish, except if it's a 4GB that unlocks to 8GB. Only the 4GB you show is B grade (probably means it doesn't unlock and someone returned it) so I'd stay clear. Hence really there aren't 480's that anyone wants for sale right now.
The 1060's on the other hand have custom coolers and are really about £235 going in and out of stock continuously.
So the reality is you can buy a 1060 but you can't really buy a 480.
Not that I'd buy either - just too expensive when the second hand market for 970's/3xx cards is so good.
What you don't mention is the 480's are reference, and no one's going to buy a reference 480 because cooling/power/etc is rubbish.
It's good that we've been looking at OverclockersUK, since all indications are that the reference 480 has been in very high demand indeed. Pretty extraordinary for a rubbish card that nobody wants....Hence really there aren't 480's that anyone wants for sale right now.
Yeah AMD going custom after reference was also genius as it gives them a response to the 1060.
Ref 480 goes first- reviews love it because its leap over what we had
AIB/Ref 1060 comes second- reviews like it but admit 480 is competition in Directx 12
Factory OCed AIB 480 comes - beats 1060 in both Directx 11 and Directx 12 (the latter by a lot). Reviews will probably love them too, AMD gets final word till next generation.
The final word on Polaris would probably be with the second revision which is likely to appear in H1 2017.
Yeah that has to be called the 580 though I assume.
Yeah that has to be called the 580 though I assume.
Yeah that has to be called the 580 though I assume.
Should call it the RX480 timely improvement.
I think the Polaris revision is 485, according to that schedule released somewhere, by someone...in some thread.
Small Vega is probably 490/495 (unless Polaris revisions go into 490/495--but I think the numbering system and lot they had showed 49x being different node, or something)
As i have said above, wait and compare RX 470 in DX-12/Vulkan vs GTX 1060.
No APU/SOC no console win,
No matter how good NV GPUs are, having two different dies will only increase the BOM, power consumption and thermals.
They already preparing 30 games, but i dont know how many will be DX-12.
There is a higher revenue market than HPC that AMD is after right now, x86 servers. But since you talked about compute and HPC, in OpenCl RX 480 is doing just fine vs GTX 1060.
You have good points other than "console deals not set in stone".
PS4 and Xbone vanilla aren't going away any time soon. And on top of that, AMD is already set for the upcming refreshes now that Polaris 10 is 100% confirmed for PS4 4K, and Project Scorpio, the Xbone 4K, is also using AMD (some debate on which chip, last I checked).
They are set in stone for years, for whatever it is worth.