Agreed. Stop focusing on them, and instead of people that kill using them, and I think we would all be better off for it.
We know you love your killing machine... you are quite obsessed with it. Pretty pathetic. I like making you squeal in terror for all to see. Keep making a spectacle out of yourself.
Since humans are prone to violence, anger, hatred, incompetence, etc... and that cannot be dealt with, it is necessary to protect the public from the obsession that america has with these killing machines.... Yet your solution is to ignore the killing machines and to focus on human beings being pathetic creatures? Brilliant! Let's keep expanding the presence of killing machines... That is clearly the solution.
Since humans are prone to violence, anger, hatred, incompetence, etc... and that cannot be dealt with, it is necessary to protect the public from the obsession that america has with these killing machines.... Yet your solution is to ignore the killing machines and to focus on human beings being pathetic creatures? Brilliant! Let's keep expanding the presence of killing machines... That is clearly the solution.
I see no problem with reasonable, upstanding, non-pathetic citizens being armed, so as to prevent, deter, subdue, or truly stop, a possible threat to them or those close to them. Those people being armed is a perfectly good thing.Yet your solution is to ignore the killing machines and to focus on human beings being pathetic creatures? Brilliant! Let's keep expanding the presence of killing machines... That is clearly the solution.
Obsessed? Naw, I like them though, they are fun, fun, fun. In order for you to make anyone "squeal in terror" you'd have to matter, but you don't. It's so funny how far under your skin people owning guns gets, and guess what? More people are buying more guns everyday!!! Isn't it great? Cry more about our "killing machines" so we can laugh at you more.
And if gun control worked so well... What went wrong in Chicago?
I see no problem with reasonable, upstanding, non-pathetic citizens being armed, so as to prevent, deter, subdue, or truly stop, a possible threat to them or those close to them. Those people being armed is a perfectly good thing.
I see quite a problem with the pathetic, or even just wayward--it's not all evil and psychopathy--human beings having access, however. But, those are the ones that aren't obeying current laws, and already get guns illegally, so why would restricting people that do abide by laws as things stand, benefit them? It wouldn't.
Strict gun control as implemented in other countries has typically been either (a) a non-issue, due already-low private ownership, (b) detrimental, allowing violent crime rates to rise, or (c) been a precursor to political power-grabbing.
If you truly want better gun control, increase the scope of background checks, set up reasonably limits for what constitutes mental impairment, allow affirmative controls against those not mentally sound (FI, if your son is a whackjob, no firearms in the house), and set up a federal shall-issue CCW system. Trying to remove guns themselves is only going to increase the ratio of armed criminals to armed regular folk.
If your tantrums and name calling in this thread towards me are an indication, not only do I matter, but your whole self esteem is tied to trying to make it appear to me like it matters.
And yes, you do like your killing machines. I guess when you have nothing else you have to cling to an illusion of power.
OH ...My ...God. Stop being fucking stupid. The gunshow loophole has been explained several times in this thread, and it is real. What the fuck is wrong with you?
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE A DEALER OR HAVE A FFL TO SELL AT A GUN SHOW, AND IF YOU AREN"T A DEALER, AND DO NOT HAVE A FFL, AND ARE SELLING AT A GUN SHOW, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO RUN A NICS, OR FILL OUT A 4473. THAT IS THE GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE MORON.
Seriously? I'm asking this legitimately. Are you seriously asking this question? In other words, have you no analytical skills? Do you not understand complex mtulipart issues? Do you know anything about Chicago?
You are attempting a simple correlation equals causation... Take a look at EVERY SINGLE first world country and how they ALL have less gun violence... ESPECIALLY the ones with tough gun laws...
The obsession with killing machines is one of the greatest problems in america right now, and a great example of it is highlighted throughout this thread.
In the State of Colorado if you're at a gun show you have to use a FFL holder and get a background check to buy or sell a gun. (I'm using Colorado as an example because I'm still familiar with their gun laws) Many states have that restriction on the books. To label all private sales or gifts of a firearm as a "gun show loophole" is not accurate. Sorry, but it just isn't an accurate way to describe private sales.
Haha Tantrums? You're a hoot!! No "tantrums" here, just laughing at you, the insecure, scared little, totalitarian baby. I've got plenty going on in my life, but ridiculing, and laughing at you is fun. People like you are sad little busy bodies that think you know what's good for everyone else, trying to force your views on other people, so even though it's fun poking you with a proverbial stick, if you disappeared it would do nothing but help clean out the gene pool.
I was explaining to Spidey what the "gun show" loophole is, not discussing every state law regarding private sales.
Your hammer? a golf club? More Americans are murdered every year from hammers and blunt objects then by rifles.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc....-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-11
496 to 323.
See, this is another reason why you, and the rest of the ignorant anti-gun nut job progressives are absolute failures. "Gun violence"? aren't the only way people hurt others. You get so obsessed with "gun violence" that the rest of violent crime just zips right past your radar. If you had a brain, and applied it to stopping violent crime, something might actually change. But you morons just can't get past you fixation on "gun" violence, so people will continue to be beaten, stabbed, raped, robbed, etc ...because you can't even comprehend the actual problems with society, you just pawn it off on guns because you don't like then, and then you wonder why sane people think you're an idiot, and don't bother listening to anything you say.
Golf clubs and hammers have other purposes. Guns do not.
Care to compare them to all firearm deaths? Oh no? Just one specific cherry picked TYPE of gun? Funny that!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Near the highest in the world for firearm related death,
"(b) detrimental, allowing violent crime rates to rise"
Cite some proof please. The opposite is reality. I mean, come on... you just MADE that up to support yourself!!!
http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-global-gun-laws-20121218,0,747421.story
"Homicides involving firearms dropped by 59% in the decade following Australia’s gun law reforms, Harvard University researchers reported last year in an analysis of the Australian statistics."
"“In the 18 years prior to the 1996 Australian laws, there were 13 gun massacres (four or more fatalities) in Australia, resulting in 102 deaths,” Howard noted. “There have been none in that category since the Port Arthur laws.”"
"Still, the consensus among public safety experts is that fewer guns in private hands equates to fewer firearms deaths and gunpoint crimes."
While it isn't always immediate, the idea is simple... the less guns, the less crazy people will have access to them.
More guns will NEVER deter, subdue, stop, or prevent gun violence... it only adds peoples' access to guns, which will mean it will be more available to the wrong people. Think about how high gun violence is in the US, despite having SO many guns... where is all this prevention and deterrence happening, aside from inside your mind? There are more mass killings than ever!
The culture of caring so much about a machine that's only purpose is to KILL is infrakkinsane.
Sure they do, they are used for hunting, for recreation, for protection and for earning money. There's lots of uses for firearms.
I personally support the right of Americans to commit suicide, I don't think suicide statistics should be included as a firearms related death.
that article addresses homicides only. knives are now a huge problem in the UK, and violent crime has increased to twice the rate of the US.
based on the Crime Survey in England and Whales (CSEW), the violent crime rate is 103 per 1000, or 10,300 per 100k (june 2011 to June 2012)
comparably, the United States violent crime rate, per the FBI, is 386 per 100k.
the United States has a 30x lower violent crime rate
and the number of times a firearm is used in defense far outweighs the number of times it is used to kill.
Guns kill way more than knives or anything else, as the attack in china proved.
Notice how you picked one country and tried to argue semantics, while ignoring that the whole idea that firearms cause deaths a hell of a lot more than knives?
A new slogan: "The US... safer than... Mexico!"
Firearms are made to kill. That is their purpose. For you to try to suggest otherwise is laughable. Hunting(killing), recreation(practicing to kill), for protection(you mean killing?) or earning money(selling killing devices). You really opened my eyes to all the other purposes of a machine made specifically to kill!
Yep, guns aren't meant specifically for killing just like food isn't made specifically for eating.. it can be used for decoration! Ingestion is merely ONE possibility! Great argument. You people are pathetic.