Thanks! I already knew that but it does feel good to hear it from others
And how would a private seller know he was a felon? He wouldn't unless he had to do a background check, but he doesn't have to.
I think I need to post some pictures, even something this simple to explain seems too complicated for the brain of a righty.
No problem! I always like to help the needy and mentally challenged.
There is no loophole. Private sellers are allowed to sell private property face to face, just like a car or any other property.
If the ATF determines you are moving too many weapons, they will demand you become a dealer, as a dealer you are required to conduct background checks.
There is no loophole. Unless you're talking about the "used car lot loophole".
What does private face to face sales have to do with gun shows? How is this a "gun show loophole"?
Also, it's illegal to sell to a felon or anybody else restricted from purchasing or owning a firearm. Most all face to face sales the seller and buyer will sign an affidavit saying the buyer is legally allowed to purchase and own a firearm in the state of sale.
How would the ATF know you as a private seller sold a weapon unless you reported such?
Well shit! If a felon can't buy a gun then I guess the descussion is over! But let's just say that mister law abiding felon decides not to tell mr law abiding private seller that he isn't a felon, then what happens? Oh they have to sign a paper? Is it notarized? No? What other paperwork must this private seller and purchaser file, surely good record keeping is important, even selling a used car means paperwork has to be filed with the local government.
Btw, I know that the phrase "gun show loophole" is throwing you off but it's kinda like illegal aliens and anchor babies, the two aren't mutually exclusive. It's just a general term used to describe something kind of like "evil liberal".
I'll post pictures for you because I have a feeling simple or complex issues aren't understood by you unless they come in the form of a coloring book.
No to mention that in my state, a handgun transfer requires a permit of one type or another. Any sort of transfer. Private sale, gift, inheritance, whatever...
There's certainly no loophole for handguns in NC.
I don't think it has lowered crime any. The requirement has been in place since 1995.
There is no loophole. Unless you're talking about the "used car lot loophole".
Yes, I am talking about the equivalent of the "used car lot loophole".
I'll try again, using small words and simple propositions so even you can understand them.
1. The law requiring background checks applies only to FFLs, by your own admission.
2. Because of #1, private sellers can sell guns without background checks. Correct?
3. Gun shows are places where, in general, non-FFLs are allowed to sell guns. Right?
4. Therefore, there are private sellers at gun shows, who can sell guns without FFL background checks (unless the show operator prohibits such, which is voluntary.)
5. This in turn means that someone can go to a gun show and buy a gun without getting a background check.
That's the gun show loophole. Do you get it now?
I think we need to make a very serious federal felony crime for a felony to purchase a firearm or own one. Maybe call the charge Felony in Possession of a Firearm.
Oh...wait!
Yes, I am talking about the equivalent of the "used car lot loophole".
I'll try again, using small words and simple propositions so even you can understand them.
1. The law requiring background checks applies only to FFLs, by your own admission.
2. Because of #1, private sellers can sell guns without background checks. Correct?
3. Gun shows are places where, in general, non-FFLs are allowed to sell guns. Right?
4. Therefore, there are private sellers at gun shows, who can sell guns without FFL background checks (unless the show operator prohibits such, which is voluntary.)
5. This in turn means that someone can go to a gun show and buy a gun without getting a background check.
That's the gun show loophole. Do you get it now?
But that has nothing to do with gunshows, it's private parties outside in the parking lot that sell fact to face. It's the same as the "craigslist loophole".
You can always demolish a liberal when they use "gunshow loophole" as I have shown there is NO GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE.
Yes, I am talking about the equivalent of the "used car lot loophole".
I'll try again, using small words and simple propositions so even you can understand them.
1. The law requiring background checks applies only to FFLs, by your own admission.
2. Because of #1, private sellers can sell guns without background checks. Correct?
3. Gun shows are places where, in general, non-FFLs are allowed to sell guns. Right?
4. Therefore, there are private sellers at gun shows, who can sell guns without FFL background checks (unless the show operator prohibits such, which is voluntary.)
5. This in turn means that someone can go to a gun show and buy a gun without getting a background check.
That's the gun show loophole. Do you get it now?
A non FFL can sell a gun anywhere...there's no need to wait for a gun show...
That's correct. The reason that gun shows are singled out with regard to the loophole is that it's a lot easier for a large number of firearms to change hands without background checks when lots of buyers and sellers congregate in one place.
No to mention that in my state, a handgun transfer requires a permit of one type or another. Any sort of transfer. Private sale, gift, inheritance, whatever...
There's certainly no loophole for handguns in NC.
I don't think it has lowered crime any. The requirement has been in place since 1995.
Don't you guys see that gun control is the answer??? LOL!
Chicago has some of the most strict gun laws...
And so does NYC. With much lower rates. Which correlation to believe???
According to Wiki, the evidence is pretty shaky regarding lots of such transfers to felons.
17 states have that. The other 33 don't.
I was simply trying to explain what was meant by the "gun show loophole" to our resident genius.
Personally, I think you either should have to get a background check for all gun sales or for none. Having to get them from an FFL but not from a private seller -- at a gun show or not -- makes zero sense.