Don't know about where you live, but an individual can sell a handgun at a gun show without having the buyer fill out a 4473, that is the gun show loophole, and it does exist.
And I can do the same with anybody anywhere.
No, the sane people need to get something meaningful in return, for reducing their rights. Most gun nuts aren't crazy. They are quite sane. They also realize very well that, on top of their guns being useful for small-scale self-defense, their arms represent a capability to to not be forced into involuntary complacence by a sufficiently unjust government.In order to have less crazy gun [nuts], the sane people have to give something up? This makes sense to you?
What other country? You've got to go past the level of damn lies to remotely make it appear like it works for anything but making the population less able to defend itself.Well, they do in other countries.. but just like healthcare, I guess it only works with them.. never works with us! WE MUST HAVE OUR PRECIOUS KILLING MACHINES!
Which means there's a loophole in the background check process. It's called the "gun show loophole" because that's one of the more (in)famous places where it happens.
This has all been widely documented.
Which means there's a loophole in the background check process. It's called the "gun show loophole" because that's one of the more (in)famous places where it happens.
This has all been widely documented.
It's not a loophole in the background check process, it's a State law. In my current State (California) any and all private sales are prohibited. In my last State of residence (Colorado) sales between adults (could be family) as long as they weren't in a prohibited class (felons, druggies or crazies) is legal. While it is labeled as a gun show loophole it has nothing at all to do with gun shows, instead it's part of State law. Some people have a problem with the phrasing because it blames legal gun shows for something they have nothing to do with and it's not an accurate term.
The background check is instituted at a national level. But it only applies to certain types of sales.
Some states have closed this loophole with state laws, while others have not. The loophole itself is clear in the law.
Semantics aside, about 2/3rds of states do not have a law that forces a background check on a non federally licensed dealer, and that dealer can even be at a gun show. Ergo, individual who would fail a background check ends up purchasing a firearm.
Doesn't really matter what's it called, we all know what it does/means.
I do have an idea this site only mentions cherry picked facts that are favorable to the anti-gun control crowd.
It doesn't mention Australia where after they actually did a gun buy back program and do not allow citizens to buy semi-auto firearms capable of being fed with high capacity magazines without review. Since that drastic step they have not had a mass murder to this date.
While this approach would definitely not take place in the U.S. not only because the of 2nd Amendment, but also because of differences in population, and the probability that even before the mass murder in Australia precipitated a firearms buy back program the U.S. severely outpaced Australia in firearms per capita.
Even not talking about any sort of firearms ban or magazine capacity limit the NRA, which no longer serves its average member so much as the Firearms Manufacturers, screams like a stuck pig even when the idea of closing gun show loopholes for background checks are discussed.
The NRA exists now to enable firearms manufacturers to move more product as much (if not more) than it does to follow it's original intent when founded which was to teach marksmanship and fire arms safety.
Go pound sand.
That's right shitbag. You want to new laws restricting our rights, then you are going to give up some existing ones and give us some back. Don't like it? Tough go sit in your corner and cry.
You'd be cry your little eyes out if they were taking away you 1st Amendment rightsm, or 4th, or 5th. It doesn't matter if YOU don't like the 2nd, or gun, you don't latter. It makes me happy knowing it bothers you so much that people have assault rifles, and high capacity magazines,
You would know a fact if it dumped a load in that cum dumpster you call a mouth.
And I can do the same with anybody anywhere.
What is this gun show loophole? What next? A car sales loophole?
You will get flagged as a dealer, and as such are required to have a 4473.
What is this gun show loophole?
No liberal can post any fact to said loophole.
All you did there was have a tantrum with a bunch of name calling. If you decide to come back and act like a mature adult, I will read what you have to say. Until then, I have my 5 year old to deal with... though I think he would have more of a real argument and less of a tantrum than you.
Really? So there's been documented person to person sales outside of gumshoews?
What fucking loophole is there!!!!!!!!!! Explain this loophole!!!!!
All you did there was have a tantrum with a bunch of name calling. If you decide to come back and act like a mature adult, I will read what you have to say. Until then, I have my 5 year old to deal with... though I think he would have more of a real argument and less of a tantrum than you.
...along with rifles, pistols, mortars, and freaking cannons. Yes, cannons. You really need to go check out some history books. Muskets were exceptionally common, but they didn't specify any weapon types for a reason: technology advances.It is funny how killing machine nuts seem to think that because muskets were needed to defend oneself before police existed
Yeah, that very much reads like a volatile situation. A good case for firearm access laws centered around mental health, IMO. You're going to be hard-pressed to argue that repeated DUIs are not a sign of mental health problems (now, going anywhere with that legally is a whole different animal).
Bull fucking shit you dirty lying shit bag.
Name said gunshow loophole.
You fucking lying sack.
Bull fucking shit you dirty lying shit bag.
Name said gunshow loophole.
You fucking lying sack.
The Congress finds that ... gun shows at which firearms are exhibited or offered for sale or exchange provide a convenient and centralized commercial location where criminals and other prohibited persons obtain firearms without background checks and without records that enable firearm tracing.
The laws of Oregon regulating the sale of firearms contain a loophole that allows people other than gun dealers to sell firearms at gun shows without first conducting criminal background checks
Private citizens who sell guns are not required to obey the business regulations that the federal government has created for firearm businesses. So if two members of a hunting club swap deer rifles, they dont have to conduct background checks on each other, or fill out 4473 forms.
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Likewise, the rules for private citizens remain the same at a gun show as anywhere else. Suppose a man who owns seven guns rents a table one weekend to sell three of his guns to pay for his familys summer vacation. This casual seller does not need to conduct a NICS check or collect 4473 forms. (In fact, by federal law, the FBI would not even allow him to access the NICS database.)
PWI? Or just being your usual detestable excuse for a human being?
I already explained: the gun show loophole allows private sellers to make gun sales without doing the federal background check. It's really more of a "private seller loophole" but it is associated with gun shows and thus has that name.
I guess the loophole is just a figment of my imagination, which is why it was mentioned specifically in a bill in Congress to close it.
Hey look, another one:
These government types in Oregon clearly don't know as much as the esteemed "Spidey07" either:
The NRA, in an article attempting to claim the loophole doesn't exist, does a fine job of pointing out that it really does:
So this "argument" is simply a semantic game. People CAN get guns without background checks at gun shows. The fact that they can also get them through private sales doesn't change that. And it's obviously much easier for transactions to happen at a marketplace like a gun show than through random individuals trying to find each other. That's why the gun shows exist.
If a dealer moves a firearm without a 4473 they are guilty of a felony. By federal law. What is this loophole?
You clearly don't know. You picked your words wisely. No need to try to backtrack now. It is not likely that anyone would believe you.