NRA slams the President over Hypocrisy

[Carfax83]

Sorry if this was already posted, but here's another NRA themed thread to add to the deluge :sneaky:

NRA slams Obama over hypocrisy of armed guards for his daughters.

In a sign of how brutal, emotional and deeply personal the coming battle over gun violence is likely to be, the National Rifle Association on Tuesday accused President Barack Obama of hypocrisy for having Secret Service protect his daughters even as he opposes the group's call for armed guards in schools.

A fairly powerful counterargument to the President's skepticism of armed guards in public schools. Obama's daughters attend a school that is protected by armed guards. Also, his daughters have a SS protection detail as well.

So the same protection cannot be offered to the children of ordinary citizens?

Although if I'm to be honest, armed guards still doesn't come close to focusing on the real issue; how to prevent the mentally unstable from getting access to firearms.

Most of these mass murders that have taken place, all have one thing in common. The perpetrator had severe mental instability. They weren't common criminals with any sort of extensive criminal background.

If we are to solve this problem at all, any policies or laws must address this issue somehow, even if it's in passing.

 

[umbrella39]

A fairly powerful counterargument to the President's skepticism of armed guards in public schools. Obama's daughters attend a school that is protected by armed guards. Also, his daughters have a SS protection detail as well.

So the same protection cannot be offered to the children of ordinary citizens?

You honestly think that is a powerful counterargument? Really?

 

[fskimospy]

No, the same protection given the president and his family cannot be given to everyone.

The NRA continues to be its own worst enemy.

 

[irishScott]

You honestly think that is a powerful counterargument? Really?

The question isn't whether the President's children should have security or not, the question is why regular Americans aren't allowed the same privilege.

I think it's a pretty weak argument given the array of more practical concerns with gun control, but it's a valid question. Given that the government is spending it's heart out, why not spend comparatively little to help secure schools?

 

[Carfax83]

No, the same protection given the president and his family cannot be given to everyone.

The NRA continues to be its own worst enemy.

But the school his daughters attend has their own armed security (11 officers I believe), separate from the SS..

And the Obama Administration is AGAINST having armed guards in schools..

So the argument of hypocrisy is relevant in this situation.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Conservatards gonna 'tard.

 

[bozack]

But the school his daughters attend has their own armed security (11 officers I believe), separate from the SS..

And the Obama Administration is AGAINST having armed guards in schools..

So the argument of hypocrisy is relevant in this situation.

its the librul elite, what do you expect?

Kinda like the belief that a harvard tenured professor can in any way shape or form relate with those making under 100K or less....

They want it their way for their families and for everyone else bleh...who gives a s..

 

[Genx87]

Of course it is hypocrisy. While they lecture the peasants about not having guns for protection they surround themselves with them for that very purpose. I am sure the law in NY passed yesterday has an exemption for law enforcement and Cuomo's security detail.

 

[fskimospy]

But the school his daughters attend has their own armed security (11 officers I believe), separate from the SS..

And the Obama Administration is AGAINST having armed guards in schools..

So the argument of hypocrisy is relevant in this situation.

Haven't you seen the math on putting an armed guard in every school? I'm unaware of Obama saying armed guards are counterproductive. What I do know is that the idea is totally economically and practically infeasible.

 

[ShintaiDK]

The NRA continues to be its own worst enemy.

And the worst enemy of society.

 

[PokerGuy]

You mean kind of like Pelosi who wants to ban the simple peasants from defending themselves with weapons while admitting she carries a firearm? You mean idiot libs are hypocrites? Noooooo, shocking!

 

[PokerGuy]

What's interesting is that many idiots on the left on these forums scoffed at the notion and made fun of the people who were saying obummer was a gun grabber. Now, at the first sign of political opportunity to exploit a tragedy, the bummer and his ilk are trying to take away your second amendment rights as quickly as possible, just as predicted.

 

[TerryMathews]

What's interesting is that many idiots on the left on these forums scoffed at the notion and made fun of the people who were saying obummer was a gun grabber. Now, at the first sign of political opportunity to exploit a tragedy, the bummer and his ilk are trying to take away your second amendment rights as quickly as possible, just as predicted.

But, they still jumped the gun before they knew what he was going to do. Because of racism. And the fact that they're conservitarded. Amirite?

I'm looking at you DS.

The only thing I like out of the proposal is the universal background checks, but I know I'm not going to like the implementation. They should open NICS to everyone. In reality, they're probably going to try to require that dealers "bless" FTF transactions. For a reasonable fee, of course.

 

[Carfax83]

Haven't you seen the math on putting an armed guard in every school? I'm unaware of Obama saying armed guards are counterproductive. What I do know is that the idea is totally economically and practically infeasible.

I will admit I haven't researched the economical aspect, but I recall seeing estimates that it would cost about 5 billion a year to provide public schools with armed guard support..

If that number is even remotely true, that's nothing. The U.S wastes far more money than that on far less important things...

 

[highland145]

IIRC, obummer's kids go to a private school so I would expect the school tuition pays for the guards.

 

[HomerJS]

Of course it is hypocrisy. While they lecture the peasants about not having guns for protection they surround themselves with them for that very purpose. I am sure the law in NY passed yesterday has an exemption for law enforcement and Cuomo's security detail.

Can you provide just one quote where the President said people should not have guns for protection?

 

[Paratus]

 

[HomerJS]

What's interesting is that many idiots on the left on these forums scoffed at the notion and made fun of the people who were saying obummer was a gun grabber. Now, at the first sign of political opportunity to exploit a tragedy, the bummer and his ilk are trying to take away your second amendment rights as quickly as possible, just as predicted.

Crazy ramblings with no evidence. You know that right wing tactic is beginning to fail with mainstream sane people.

 

[feralkid]

I will admit I haven't researched the economical aspect, but I recall seeing estimates that it would cost about 5 billion a year to provide public schools with armed guard support..

If that number is even remotely true, that's nothing. The U.S wastes far more money than that on far less important things...

Poor analogy.
Shouldn't we worry about addressing that waste before blithely piling more on?

 

[Genx87]

Can you provide just one quote where the President said people should not have guns for protection?

I am pretty sure he outright dismissed having armed guards in school setting while his kids are provided security by the SS and the school itself. I am also pretty sure he will propose a wide range of gun restrictions that will not apply to his security detail as well.

So yes the king is telling the peasants what is good for him is not good for them.

 

[sigurros81]

1. Secret Services are there to protect VIP, important individuals from assassination attempts

2. Armed guards in school would have the purpose of protecting the schools against psychopaths with no agenda other than to kill innocents.

Two different scenarios, unless you want to hire an armed guard for everyone in America and treat every citizens as a VIP.

 

[highland145]

1. Secret Services are there to protect VIP, important individuals from assassination attempts

2. Armed guards in school would have the purpose of protecting the schools against psychopaths with no agenda other than to kill innocents.

Two different scenarios, unless you want to hire an armed guard for everyone in America and treat every citizens as a VIP.

Or just allow them to defend themselves without impediments.:thumbsup:

 

[Genx87]

1. Secret Services are there to protect VIP, important individuals from assassination attempts

2. Armed guards in school would have the purpose of protecting the schools against psychopaths with no agenda other than to kill innocents.

Two different scenarios, unless you want to hire an armed guard for everyone in America and treat every citizens as a VIP.

That doesnt change the hypocrisy. Telling the avg US citizen their kids shouldnt have armed guards while his do. Will lay out his vision of gun control for the avg american while not applying it to himself.

If these guys had any integrity or belief in the shit they peddle. They would apply it to their security details. The fact they dont, tells me they dont believe these restrictions increase safety or protects ones ability to protect themselves.

I would have more respect for stupid gun laws like 7 round mags if they applied it to law enforcement. If 7 rounds is enough for an untrained citizen to protect themselves. Then 7 rounds is enough for trained law enforcement and security details.

 

[Incorruptible]

So its alright for obama to have SS for his daughters at TAXPAYERS EXPENSE, massive waste of money but he has a problem with armed guards. Gotta love the hypocrisy that comes from the POS

 

[Spoooon]

Without wading too far in, I don't know that it's a fair comparison to make. If President Obama was just some random rich dude who opposed armed guards in public schools while benefiting from tax payer funded protection for his family, that'd be one thing.