nRollo has been banned

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: thilan29
I didn't really care either way (mostly because I know he usually isn't a good source of unbiased information)...but the Stereo and Physx pimping recently was getting annoying considering even a lot of review sites were not saying it was that great.

I agree with you 100%, I was here when Rollo first got found out as being a Nvidia Focus Group member. That information made me understand why Rollo was pimping the GeForce 5800 Ultra lol

I would like it known that I am a PowerVR fanboy, loved my Hercules 3D Prophet 4500 Kyro 2.

 

[Jephph]

I'll tell you exactly why Rollo was banned. It wasn't until now because ATI hasn't had a decent video card until now. ATI has a very strong lineup with the 4000 series. Because of that, Rollo has been very defensive of NVidia. He's had to prove NVidia's reputation by putting down ATI. In the past, his claims of NVidia superiority had been warranted, but now that ATI has a good lineup, he's had to defend NVidia.

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
i don't know why the nvidia fanboys are defending him in this thread, is it because you know him personally? and now that he's banned you can't have a beer with him because you're friends?

or is it because you're a nvidia fanboy and without him, you feel you're weaker?

what about banning those members that blatantly go out of their way to find every possible way to show that nvidia is better than ati when they are not?

he will not be missed.

The people who use the word "fanboy" are generally the ones to look out for.

instead of using winks, why don't you make some sense?

what do you mean by look out for people who use "fanboy?"

He's talking about himself.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Jephph
I'll tell you exactly why Rollo was banned. It wasn't until now because ATI hasn't had a decent video card until now. ATI has a very strong lineup with the 4000 series. Because of that, Rollo has been very defensive of NVidia. He's had to prove NVidia's reputation by putting down ATI. In the past, his claims of NVidia superiority had been warranted, but now that ATI has a good lineup, he's had to defend NVidia.

Derek and BFG had already posted, for your convenience, why he was banned.

 

[Aberforth]

Rollo always promoted nv cards- this is not just one occasion. This is Nvidia's trick to induce marketing into public boards without expense. If they carry on like this- it will act as a grounds for Antitrust: http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/contact/newcase.htm - honestly embedding CPU into Graphics card was serious enough.

 

[Zstream]

Why do we have a thread about this again?

 

[DerekWilson]

Originally posted by: Zstream
Why do we have a thread about this again?

1) it needed to happen.

2) being upfront and honest about what's going on is our policy and waiting until rumors start to spread is never a good idea.

3) other members who have not been given a 2nd chance reprieve from a permaban need to know that they will not be banned without violating the TOS or guidelines.

4) members who were previously permabanned and allowed back after I took over should know that we can and will reban at our discretion, BUT that we will not do so unless we see a real need. In fact, we've not done nor are we considering doing this with any other returning banned member at present -- just know we reserve the right.

5) you guys deserve the right to discuss this situation and hopefully gain some closure. often talking about a situation can help people move forward.

...

I appreciate the fact that you guys have been largely civil in discussing this matter so far.

 

[aldamon]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
Of course we all know how that turned out, and the rockgate fiasco is a perfect example of shilling where he hid the source of his information (nVidia) and pretended he was legitimate consumer who stumbled on the problem himself. He actually purchased a 4850 for the sole purpose of following nVidia?s instructions to replicate the issue so he could then post it at multiple forums with his multiple personalities (aka JethroBodine).

That's pretty bad. Good decision.

 

[SunnyD]

BFG, Amber and Derek - thanks for answering my question. Good to see that I wasn't the only one that felt like Video was a "PR/marketing forum for NVIDIA" with Rollo around.

As an aside, I find the fanboy fights ridiculously amusing... but when Rollo would walk in and start dropping links every other post, I felt like I was reading an infomercial.

Thanks again!

 

[Hugh H]

Oh well.

I am still jealous of him for getting new Nvidia cards all the time. I would trade my posting privileges for free Nvidia cards at any moment

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: DerekWilson

1) it needed to happen.

Out of curiosity, was there a "straw the broke the camel's back"? Or was it just complaints from certain members that prompted this?

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

I'm a new member of the forums, but I've lurked for a couple years and can personally attest to the obnoxiousness of Rollo's trolling. I came to realize I could never glean an honest recommendation or opinion from his posts, and his "insight" into Nvidia tech was specious at best. That's just shameful. The irony is that his posts not only harmed ATi's reputation, but Nvidia's by affiliation with such an obvious shill and their encouragement of this kind of behavior.

I have no idea why AT members would paint this decision as political, i.e., a victory for ATi fanboys or a blow to the Nvidia trolls. This was a sound decision to remove a disruptive poster who has willfully misled others for his own gain. This is coming from someone who has never owned anything but Nvidia video cards.

So, thank you, mods.

 

[SickBeast]

I guess this is the first step toward the Video Forum becoming a useful source of information again.

My issue is that I find most of the other NV trolls far more annoying, rude, and aggressive. Plus, I have a feeling that they also work for NV but do not disclose it, which makes matters even worse.

I actually found Rollo a pretty cool guy most of the time. It's a shame he's a shill.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: DerekWilson

1) it needed to happen.

Out of curiosity, was there a "straw the broke the camel's back"? Or was it just complaints from certain members that prompted this?

If you read through the thread and key on what AmberClad and BFG said - you'll notice it was more about incessant "marketing & PR" that he was doing in general. Something you'll find keys doesn't do... but certain others seem to do as well.

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

I actually found Rollo a pretty cool guy most of the time. It's a shame he's a shill.

Yeah, he is a cool guy, long back in one of the PM's he said to me that he donates video cards to disabled/poor kids so that's really very nice of him but again that's not what were talking about.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Dispite my love for Nvidia PhysX and preference to Nvidia because of it, I don't disagree with Mod's decision... Rollo does market it a bit too much at times... the Nvidia 3d thing is nice to have ,not its definately not worth it to spend ~$1000 on right now.

PhysX on the other hand, is great and affordable... its a great advancement to include it on the videocard. ATI Fans really need to stop bashing it, but rather to start petition to ATI to make Physx an industry standard.

for instance, a deal from yesterday, 4830 for $70 was great, but I had to think twice because PhysX wasn't supported by ATI....

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: DerekWilson

1) it needed to happen.

Out of curiosity, was there a "straw the broke the camel's back"? Or was it just complaints from certain members that prompted this?

If you read through the thread and key on what AmberClad and BFG said - you'll notice it was more about incessant "marketing & PR" that he was doing in general. Something you'll find keys doesn't do... but certain others seem to do as well.

I agree with you SunnyD, I honestly believe that we have more PR marketeers acting as fanboys I could name some of them but I don't want to flame this thread and anger the mods.

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
Dispite my love for Nvidia PhysX and preference to Nvidia because of it, I don't disagree with Mod's decision... Rollo does market it a bit too much at times... the Nvidia 3d thing is nice to have ,not its definately not worth it to spend ~$1000 on right now.

PhysX on the other hand, is great and affordable... its a great advancement to include it on the videocard. ATI Fans really need to stop bashing it, but rather to start petition to ATI to make Physx an industry standard.

for instance, a deal from yesterday, 4830 for $70 was great, but I had to think twice because PhysX wasn't supported by ATI....

Who cares about physx, it's not a standard of any kind. You need a muscle like MS or Intel has to push standards onto the market. I'm waiting for bigger boys for implementing such things...

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: solofly
You need a muscle like MS or Intel has to push standards onto the market. I'm waiting for bigger boys for implementing such things...

Exactly.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: solofly

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
Dispite my love for Nvidia PhysX and preference to Nvidia because of it, I don't disagree with Mod's decision... Rollo does market it a bit too much at times... the Nvidia 3d thing is nice to have ,not its definately not worth it to spend ~$1000 on right now.

PhysX on the other hand, is great and affordable... its a great advancement to include it on the videocard. ATI Fans really need to stop bashing it, but rather to start petition to ATI to make Physx an industry standard.

for instance, a deal from yesterday, 4830 for $70 was great, but I had to think twice because PhysX wasn't supported by ATI....

Who cares about physx, it's not a standard of any kind. You need a muscle like MS or Intel has to push standards onto the market. I'm waiting for bigger boys for implementing such things...

This is exactly the type of ATI Fan attitude I'm referring above...
sour grape. sad, pity

I feel so fortunate you guys weren't there when 3dfx glide first started, else we'd still be using software rendering today.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: solofly
Great news! This place will become much more pleasant now to visit...

I love the hypocrisy in this thread, how those who lean towards one company are the most jubilant for Rollo's ban. Although I have not been privy to whatever discussion has gone on behind the scenes. No recent event was pointed out as to what brought this about. So to me it does have the feel of censorship in order to placate one side over the other.

Kind of sad really. I feel that it's a slippery slope that will only get worse. The acerbic responses from certain members only reinforces that thought.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Ben Franklin

If you were more honest, you would see that this isn't true at all. Maybe some of those who are happy about Rollo being banned are ATI lovers, but that most certainly isn't the case for me or some of the other ones who are happy. I like both companies as do most people on this forum. It is idiotic not to b/c they put out very similar products and neither have very significant quality control issues for the most part.

I m happy b/c I do not like it when I feel that I am being lied to in order to benefit some big corporation who just wants my money. That said, I hate TV ads too .

For a guy to use this setting for advertising for a company is pretty pathetic and is taking advantage of the trust others have in the site. It is almost parasitic.

 

[SSChevy2001]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
ATI Fans really need to stop bashing it, but rather to start petition to ATI to make Physx an industry standard.

A little off topic, but why should ATi support PhysX? Also Nvidia fans don't bash DX10.1 ever chance they get ( thanks to Ubisoft ).

 

[AmberClad]

Guys, this thread is really not the place to be getting into the whole PhysX debate again.

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: solofly

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
Dispite my love for Nvidia PhysX and preference to Nvidia because of it, I don't disagree with Mod's decision... Rollo does market it a bit too much at times... the Nvidia 3d thing is nice to have ,not its definately not worth it to spend ~$1000 on right now.

PhysX on the other hand, is great and affordable... its a great advancement to include it on the videocard. ATI Fans really need to stop bashing it, but rather to start petition to ATI to make Physx an industry standard.

for instance, a deal from yesterday, 4830 for $70 was great, but I had to think twice because PhysX wasn't supported by ATI....

Who cares about physx, it's not a standard of any kind. You need a muscle like MS or Intel has to push standards onto the market. I'm waiting for bigger boys for implementing such things...

This is exactly the type of ATI Fan attitude I'm referring above...
sour grape. sad, pity

I feel so fortunate you guys weren't there when 3dfx glide first started, else we'd still be using software rendering today.

WOW, that's not a fan boy attitude at all. I thought it was pretty logical. You don't induce these standards on developers & manipulate their creativity and business model- that's not the right thing to do. You've got DX10 and DX11 which cuts the CPU usage so the extra room you have could be used to generate Physics simulations and with the new multi-threading technologies it's going to even more easy with the standard API's.

oh btw, we still use software rendering when the hardware is not available- so that's a very useful thing. Most of the DX10 games were tested using software rendering because hardware prototypes weren't available at that time.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: SSChevy2001

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
ATI Fans really need to stop bashing it, but rather to start petition to ATI to make Physx an industry standard.

A little off topic, but why should ATi support PhysX? Also Nvidia fans don't bash DX10.1 ever chance they get ( thanks to Ubisoft ).

? havn't seen any 10.1 bash.. but have seen constant PhysX bashing.

we should be pushing for wider compliance and api support from both companies, NEVER the other way around... else we are only hurting ourselves as consumers.