NSA Cheif on record : Election swayed by foreign entity

[cytg111]

14:20

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/11/...e-conscious-effort-to-sway-us-presi/21607615/

Ongoing investigation.
Unnamed "nation-state" that was definitely not performing a standing ovation in parlament when Trump won.
Will Trump ever get the question from a journalist : "How do you feel about getting help from * with winning the election?" ? Guess we kind of allready know that with his "Russia, if you are listening..." statement.
Putin pulled one over on you guys, he must be grinning in that non existent beard right now :"only fools holds real elections"

 

[Ancalagon44]

That's really reaching considering that the only involvement that can really be linked to the Russians is the hacking of the DNC and of Hilary Clinton's emails. So, we would have to ignore the other reasons why Trump had more support, such as the dissatisfaction of the rural and middle class voters.

But anyway, let's look at the hackings that occurred, that we are pretty sure were perpetrated by the Russians.

You know what the irony is?

When the NSA tells us about how they are wiretapping everything and listening to all conversations, the line they use is:
"You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide"

So now, I'll use the same line on Hilary Clinton - you have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide.

If the DNC hadn't conspired to rig the primaries against Sanders, and if Clinton had exercised due care in terms of her email security, this would be a non-issue. If Donna Brazile hadn't passed the questions to Hilary Clinton before the debate, this would be a non-issue.

The Russians exposed what was there. Don't do those bad things, and there will be nothing to expose.

 

[TheVrolok]

That's really reaching considering that the only involvement that can really be linked to the Russians is the hacking of the DNC and of Hilary Clinton's emails. So, we would have to ignore the other reasons why Trump had more support, such as the dissatisfaction of the rural and middle class voters.

But anyway, let's look at the hackings that occurred, that we are pretty sure were perpetrated by the Russians.

You know what the irony is?

When the NSA tells us about how they are wiretapping everything and listening to all conversations, the line they use is:
"You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide"

So now, I'll use the same line on Hilary Clinton - you have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide.

If the DNC hadn't conspired to rig the primaries against Sanders, and if Clinton had exercised due care in terms of her email security, this would be a non-issue. If Donna Brazile hadn't passed the questions to Hilary Clinton before the debate, this would be a non-issue.

The Russians exposed what was there. Don't do those bad things, and there will be nothing to expose.

This is an abysmal line of reasoning. A foreign power actively subverting our election process should bother you no matter who it benefits. I wasn't a big fan of either candidate, but did end of voting for HRC and would still have been unhappy if Russia had worked against Trump. Similar to your example, the NSA warrantlessly wiretapping citizens is flat out wrong. Period.

 

[cytg111]

I am fully aligned on the Irony but it stops there.
It is always the bigger picture at play here.
Where is the GOP's dirty emails? Telling me there is none? Difference is noone was motivated to hack the those.
And Russia? Putin dont have a few secrets that the russian people should/deserves to know about?
Everybody got dirty laundry, you and me both.
Snowden put it well : Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.
The real mccoy here is in the geopolitics cause you ca be sure that this 'happenig' is engineered towards to the global scene.

 

[compuwiz1]

Hillary lost the election because of her baggage and the voters that moved the electoral college wanted change, not another 4 years of Obama's policies. The democrats need some time for introspection, but they're not doing that, they're looking for some outside reasons for the loss. They're looking everywhere, but in their own camp, while not owning the fact that they rolled out Clinton, thinking she was the done deal. She was a bad candidate, period. The fact she called a huge block of voters deplorables, sexists, racist, misogynists, homophobes and the like, is just something she should never have done. She and her campaign personnel fucked up big time.

 

[Thump553]

Assuming the ONLY things the Russians did were the things that are already well known (hacking DNC and sponsoring wikileaks to release that info plus salted bullsh*t phony email evidence, then it is well known, and it can be safely said the voters generally knew of that interference when they voted.

But that may not be all they did. It is pretty certain the Russians at least tried to hack into our voting system itself. If they actually succeeded that's a whole different ball of wax. I would classify it as an act of war personally.

Also, it's too bad Trump never released his financials/tax returns so we could know how in debt he is to the Russian oligarchs.

I certainly don't have the level of trust Trump displays with the Russians and am highly suspect of anyone who does. That a GOP candidate so blindly endorses Putin is pretty mind-blowing to me.

 

[cytg111]

Hillary lost the election because of her baggage and the voters that moved the electoral college wanted change, not another 4 years of Obama's policies. The democrats need some time for introspection, but they're not doing that, they're looking for some outside reasons for the loss. They're looking everywhere, but in their own camp, while not owning the fact that they rolled out Clinton, thinking she was the done deal. She was a bad candidate, period. The fact she called a huge block of voters deplorables, sexists, racist, misogynists, homophobes and the like, is just something she should never have done. She and her campaign personnel fucked up big time.

Agreed, Sanders would probably have fared better but that is hardly the issue. Democrats didnt loose over one thing, they lost over a sum of issues and some of these issues enhancing another. One of these issues enhancing is IMO the email hacks and Comey playing into the hand, without these events I suspect that trump would have had a harder time rallying up all the angry old white men.
IMO all evidence points to the fact that you got toppled by the ruskies. You can take this in denial, do nothing about it or ... "Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know."


edit : speaking of tax returns, explain to me why Trumps tax returns is not all over wikileaks? (rhetorical question)

 

[momeNt]

As I stated before the election. I believe that there was enough evidence for the Supreme Court to uphold an executive order by Obama to put off the election until it was clear that there was nothing improper going on as far as foreign involvement. We had a chance to avert this disaster at the cost of a pretty outrageous precedent that would likely never happen again.

 

[senseamp]

More by a useful idiot at the FBI.

 

[Jaskalas]

More by a useful idiot at the FBI.

It's his fault for informing Congress, but none of that would have happened if all devices with classified material on them were turned over during the original investigation.

 

[FIVR]

Lol.


Putin soon to publish certain best-seller titled "IF I rigged the 2016 US Election..."

With special acknowledgments to his good friend, James Comey and the FBI.

 

[FIVR]

It occurs to me that we now basically live in some sort of russian proxy republic. Trump is the American Kadyrov, and Trump supporters are the American Kadyvrovtsy


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadyrovtsy

This its actually, quite sad. Bad times are coming my friends. Worse than you can ever imagine.

 

[senseamp]

Read up on Yanukovich. Lots of parallels.

 

[PokerGuy]

More by a useful idiot at the FBI.

Of course, it's the fault of the FBI doing their jobs and informing congress, not the fault of the person who carelessly and recklessly handled classified material. Had she not done those things, there would have been no Comey.

 

[Pens1566]

Of course, it's the fault of the FBI doing their jobs and informing congress, not the fault of the person who carelessly and recklessly handled classified material. Had she not done those things, there would have been no Comey.

Kind of a joke now that Trump is conducting diplomatic calls with foreign heads of state over unsecure lines in his penthouse, eh comrade?

 

[JSt0rm]

I love how the right wing discounts the fact that the nsa is saying the election was influenced by a foreign power. As long as they won they literally don't care.

 

[Pens1566]

I love how the right wing discounts the fact that the nsa is saying the election was influenced by a foreign power. As long as they won they literally don't care.

Party before country.

 

[momeNt]

I love how the right wing discounts the fact that the nsa is saying the election was influenced by a foreign power. As long as they won they literally don't care.

You realize that left wing didn't care either, until they lost. Postponing the election was the prudent thing to do until it could get sorted out. It would have kept Obama in office another year, but no, left wing just wanted to rush Hillary into office because it was her turn and she wasn't getting any younger. Well now you lost. And it's your fault.

 

[cytg111]

You realize that left wing didn't care either, until they lost. Postponing the election was the prudent thing to do until it could get sorted out. It would have kept Obama in office another year, but no, left wing just wanted to rush Hillary into office because it was her turn and she wasn't getting any younger. Well now you lost. And it's your fault.

Yea, hubris is a cold siberian bitch.

 

[PokerGuy]

Kind of a joke now that Trump is conducting diplomatic calls with foreign heads of state over unsecure lines in his penthouse, eh comrade?

Again with the hysterical proclamations. I have no idea how he's communicating with foreign heads of state, but I'm sure if there's a problem we'll hear all about it. Next thing you know he'll be sending classified info on his own personal server for every hacker to get into, and then we'll have real problems!

 

[OrByte]

Honestly this is the biggest concern coming out of this whole mess.

The fact that another country is so clearly and intelligently fvcking with the USA.

 

[PokerGuy]

You realize that left wing didn't care either, until they lost. Postponing the election was the prudent thing to do until it could get sorted out.

Postponing the election would accomplish what exactly? Even if it was the ruskies that leaked the info (which is widely believed already), so what? How do you unring the bell? Is the information contained in the leaked emails not true?

 

[Pens1566]

Again with the hysterical proclamations. I have no idea how he's communicating with foreign heads of state, but I'm sure if there's a problem we'll hear all about it. Next thing you know he'll be sending classified info on his own personal server for every hacker to get into, and then we'll have real problems!

There's nothing hysterical about it. He's been holed up in Trump Tower since the election. Minus the steakhouse. He's reporting it himself that he's been talking to every foreign leader under the sun. You could look for yourself if you wanted, but we know you don't want to. Because media == not true. Just like flat-earthers say about anything NASA reports.

 

[momeNt]

Postponing the election would accomplish what exactly? Even if it was the ruskies that leaked the info (which is widely believed already), so what? How do you unring the bell? Is the information contained in the leaked emails not true?

Possibly replace Hillary because media would have had time to for the circle jerk to slow down.

 

[Zorba]

You realize that left wing didn't care either, until they lost. Postponing the election was the prudent thing to do until it could get sorted out. It would have kept Obama in office another year, but no, left wing just wanted to rush Hillary into office because it was her turn and she wasn't getting any younger. Well now you lost. And it's your fault.

The date of the election is mandated by the constitution, it can not be postponed. Regardless I don't know what it would've really accomplished, except to let the BS letter from Comey fade away. Personally I think the FBI in the final week had more effect on the election than Russia and the people at fault in the FBI should be fired and possibly charged, and this is far beyond just the Comey letter.