NSA leaker has come forward: Idiot has fled the U.S

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UberNeuman

Lifer
Nov 4, 1999
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so what exactly did this young man do that was wrong??

The government spying on it`s own citizens is right?
What classified documents did this young man divulge??

Oh...you mean the classified documnets concerning the illegal collecting of our information....ohh...now I get it....

Show me the illegal and we'll end this story quickly....
 

Franz316

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Sep 12, 2000
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This guy should protected, not hunted. I'm not sure why there are people who are loyal to an clearly corrupt government. F' em. They will abuse every ounce of power they get. Now that they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar, we'll see how it plays out.
 

Darwin333

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Dec 11, 2006
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If this guy doesn't receive overwhelming American citizen support, no one ever will. Too bad he waited before leaking this information. He would have made a far greater impact than imaginable.

"A lot of people in 2008 voted for Obama. I did not vote for him. I voted for a third party. But I believed in Obama's promises. I was going to disclose it [but waited because of his election]. He continued with the policies of his predecessor."

Do you think that Romney would have a different policy???
 

UberNeuman

Lifer
Nov 4, 1999
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Do you think that Romney would have a different policy???

That's the real issue. Had it been McCain or Romney - it won't have mattered...

Power easily given is never easily taken away...

\have all you howlers started bugging your Representatives about this; or are you mindlessly spouting on message boards...
 

Triumph

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Oct 9, 1999
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A warrant for?

A warrant that particularly describes the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Do you HONESTLY believe that "the daily telephone logs of every single phone in America*" fits that description? The 4th Amendment is one of the easiest to understand.

A law is not lawful if it is unconstitutional. That's US civics 101.

*if you think AT&T, Spring, T-Mobile, etc. haven't been solicited by the NSA as well, you're living in a dream world.
 

UberNeuman

Lifer
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A warrant that particularly describes the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Do you HONESTLY believe that "the daily telephone logs of every single phone in America*" fits that description? The 4th Amendment is one of the easiest to understand.

A law is not lawful if it is unconstitutional. That's US civics 101.

*if you think AT&T, Spring, T-Mobile, etc. haven't been solicited by the NSA as well, you're living in a dream world.

"Most often, the term warrant refers to a specific type of authorization; a writ issued by a competent officer, usually a judge or magistrate, which permits an otherwise illegal act that would violate individual rights and affords the person executing the writ protection from damages if the act is performed."

\per Wiki...
\have all you howlers started bugging your Representatives about this; or are you mindlessly spouting on message boards...
 

DCal430

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A warrant that particularly describes the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Do you HONESTLY believe that "the daily telephone logs of every single phone in America*" fits that description? The 4th Amendment is one of the easiest to understand.

A law is not lawful if it is unconstitutional. That's US civics 101.

*if you think AT&T, Spring, T-Mobile, etc. haven't been solicited by the NSA as well, you're living in a dream world.

A warrant is still used to view the data. The government is only gathering the data in mass, it isn't actually looking at all of it.
 

AreaCode707

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A warrant is still used to view the data. The government is only gathering the data in mass, it isn't actually looking at all of it.
So the government is allowed to seize personal property without a warrant as long as they promise not to look at or use it?
 

bradley

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Do you think that Romney would have a different policy???

We've had the same President for the last twelve years, so it's hard to be certain. Though I have voted independent since Clinton: NAFTA, GATT and the repeal of Glass-Stegall.
 
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DucatiMonster696

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He should be protected by force. Period.
America stands for civil liberties, for freedom and transparency, or it does not stand at all.

I vehemently object to opposition to this young man. America needs to stand with him and use the information he revealed to dismantle dragnet programs. We need to restore the Bill of Rights.

America needs a 21st century Civil Liberties campaign.

America and the American Government need to start following the Constitution rather than undermining it at every level.
 

drquest

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I'm pretty sure Verizon is quite aware of who you are calling everyday, heck they want to know so we can add all of our friends and family to our calling circles.
 
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BoberFett

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I have to agree with you on this. You DO NOT reveal classified information, whether you agree with it or not...

Really? If you believe that to be true, then there are no limits to what our government can do in the name of secrecy. How do you change something via democracy, if the only people that are allowed to know about it are those that are complicit?
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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No can explain how this phone record program is illegal. Remember data is only being gathered. Actual individual warrants are still needed to view the data.

Not content to eliminate the 2nd Amendment, you're going to make a run at the 4th Amendment too, eh dipshit?

I would do a little jig if I heard you were executed by a drone.
 

LegendKiller

Lifer
Mar 5, 2001
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I love how everybody thinks they are recording everything and are all-seeing yet they cannot use this awesome power to solve everything immediately.

As far as this guy being a "hero", get a fucking clue. We live in a world where people want to kill us for nothing more than being who we are. You can claim that it's because we trample them under but in reality everything you have, everything this country was built on, everything you see, is because of what we have done. If you have a problem with your cheap oil, your nice computer, your 1st world way of life, then go live in the woods grizzly adams style.

This is reality, people want to kill us for any number of reasons.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
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Him? He released sensitive and clasified information.

The federal government? None. All legal and valid.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#cite_note-1

Now regardless of what bullshit you might think the above is the supreme law of the land here in the good ole US. Please note that BOTH the search and seizure are expressly forbidden without a warrant describing the place, person or things to be seized. Just because the Feds didn't search the records (or at least they say) does not mean they legally seized them.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
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"Most often, the term warrant refers to a specific type of authorization; a writ issued by a competent officer, usually a judge or magistrate, which permits an otherwise illegal act that would violate individual rights and affords the person executing the writ protection from damages if the act is performed."

\per Wiki...
\have all you howlers started bugging your Representatives about this; or are you mindlessly spouting on message boards...

Fuck Wiki, how about we use the 4th amendment? Is that going high enough up for you?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#cite_note-1
 
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