NSC Advisor Mike Flynn

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agent00f

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Here's the real scandal though, the White House was informed of this a month ago and that he had not only lied but was now vulnerable to blackmail by the Russian government. Up through yesterday they were still allowing this guy to sit in on national security related matters. They only fired him when the media found out that he was compromised.

Think how insane that is. They knew their national security adviser had not only lied to them but was compromised by a hostile foreign power and did nothing until the media reported on it. I cannot think of any explanation for that which doesn't lead to a really, really bad place.

It wasn't just the media revelation per se, since it's basically acknowledged at this point that the administration & putin are bffs, but the timing of it made pence in particular look bad for protecting Flynn just before the release. Of course now they claim he lied etc, when friendship with russia was probably why he was picked in the first place.
 

Jhhnn

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It wasn't just the media revelation per se, since it's basically acknowledged at this point that the administration & putin are bffs, but the timing of it made pence in particular look bad for protecting Flynn just before the release. Of course now they claim he lied etc, when friendship with russia was probably why he was picked in the first place.

You mean... Flynn might be just the fall guy? Say it ain't so!
 

woolfe9998

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You're assuming that Trump didn't ask Flynn to speak to the Russians about the sanctions.

Of course he did. This is consistent with Trump's stance on Putin since the first time Trump ever said anything about Putin and Russia. And it's why Trump didn't fire Flynn when he was told three weeks ago by the FBI what Flynn had really said to the Russian ambassador, and that Flynn had lied to the general public about it. Flynn lied to the public and also to Pence, because Pence is clearly not in the loop on Trump's Russia policy. We know that Pence has an entirely different stance on Russia than Trump because he said so in the VP debate last year. Trump told Flynn what to say to the Russian ambassador and that's why nothing was done about Flynn until his lying got out to the public, just yesterday.
 

wirelessenabled

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Chaffetz got an earful at his recent home town constituents meeting. Maybe he will grow a pair at this late date.
 

agent00f

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LOL:

“I’ll leave it to the administration to describe the circumstances surrounding what brought to this point,” House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) told reporters.

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) said the most significant question posed by the resignation of Flynn is why intelligence officials eavesdropped on his calls with the Russian ambassador and later leaked information on those calls to the press.

“I expect for the FBI to tell me what is going on, and they better have a good answer,” Nunes said. “The big problem I see here is that you have an American citizen who had his phone calls recorded.”"

Such a great mystery to conservative spying expert why US intelligence would tap calls to the Russian fucking ambassador.
 

sdifox

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How the fuck is Nunes the chair of Intelligence Committee and not know you spy on your enemy any way you can?

Same goes for Flynn but he is no longer NSA.
 
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agent00f

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How the fuck is Nunes the chair of Intelligence Committe and not know you spy on your enemy any way you can?

Same goes for Flynn but he is no longer NSA.

I suspect if you asked six-pack to make a priority list for tapping calls, by source, russian fucking ambassador might just be head of the list. But this guy, head of the R intel committee... Maybe he's indignant for good reason: "Oh shit maybe they can listen in on my calls to the KGB, didn't know that's a thing"

Only the bestest people.
 

Thump553

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LOL:

“I’ll leave it to the administration to describe the circumstances surrounding what brought to this point,” House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) told reporters.

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) said the most significant question posed by the resignation of Flynn is why intelligence officials eavesdropped on his calls with the Russian ambassador and later leaked information on those calls to the press.

“I expect for the FBI to tell me what is going on, and they better have a good answer,” Nunes said. “The big problem I see here is that you have an American citizen who had his phone calls recorded.”"

Such a great mystery to conservative spying expert why US intelligence would tap calls to the Russian fucking ambassador.

I was expecting that sort of dumbass response from the GOP since at least last night, I figured it would be in the form of a tweet from The Donald Himself. Maybe the entire GOP is dumbing down even further.

If there is ever an honest in-depth investigation though I bet it will come out that Comey got chewed out about this from the White House.

The real significant question is who instructed Flynn to make the call and who he reported back to on it.
 

Jaskalas

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America's spies anonymously took down Michael Flynn. That is deeply worrying.
Those cheering the deep state torpedoing of Flynn are saying, in effect, that a police state is perfectly fine so long as it helps to bring down Trump.

Flynn's downfall exposes intelligence community rift over Trump

“Firing Flynn still leaves Trump utterly ignorant of and belligerent about the fact-based intelligence community,” said Glenn Carle, a retired CIA officer.

“Most intelligence officers are not fools or grovelers. One fool, or worse, is now gone from the White House. Trump, the man in charge, still bats his eyes at Putin, and smirks and glowers at the intelligence community. Of course, the intelligence community should not change its disdain for incompetence, distrust of lying, and hostility to malevolence.”

Some interesting takes. The Guardian article has a very full background on Flynn and a pretty good idea of how we arrived at this point. Including some blunt words for what could be a very open season of exposing anything Trump and those around him might do wrong.
 
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Zorba

Lifer
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America's spies anonymously took down Michael Flynn. That is deeply worrying.
Those cheering the deep state torpedoing of Flynn are saying, in effect, that a police state is perfectly fine so long as it helps to bring down Trump.

Flynn's downfall exposes intelligence community rift over Trump

“Firing Flynn still leaves Trump utterly ignorant of and belligerent about the fact-based intelligence community,” said Glenn Carle, a retired CIA officer.

“Most intelligence officers are not fools or grovelers. One fool, or worse, is now gone from the White House. Trump, the man in charge, still bats his eyes at Putin, and smirks and glowers at the intelligence community. Of course, the intelligence community should not change its disdain for incompetence, distrust of lying, and hostility to malevolence.”

Some interesting takes. The Guardian article has a very full background on Flynn and a pretty good idea of how we arrived at this point. Including some blunt words for what could be a very open season of exposing anything Trump and those around him might do wrong.

I agree, the intelligence community and the build up of domestic spying at the NSA scare the crap out of me. They could use their powers to ensure that whoever they oppose could never be elected or to blackmail whoever is elected. I've had this concern for years, and it only deepened with what Snowden leaked. The IC has seemed to have been pretty active in politics since the Comey letter, which is why he should've been fired on the spot for sending it.

Maybe after this is all over the GOP will actually get on board with limiting the NSA to something reasonable. Although, I think the NSA spying and recording phone calls with top Russian official is completely reasonable and I think whistle-blowing is appropriate under these conditions.
 

HamburgerBoy

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wirelessenabled

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Of course keep in mind that the President is the Liar in Chief and Pence is not all that honest either.

Where does that leave our Country? Stupid assholes who elected these asshats.
 

wirelessenabled

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Chaffetz is a piece of work. Probably time for him to go as well. If he really listened to his constituents at yesterday's Town Hall meeting he should be tendering his resignation soon.

Probably not because he thinks that he can weather this problem.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Chaffetz is a piece of work. Probably time for him to go as well. If he really listened to his constituents at yesterday's Town Hall meeting he should be tendering his resignation soon.

Probably not because he thinks that he can weather this problem.

He's from a heavily Republican district, it's doubtful his constituents would hold him accountable at all.
 

kage69

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Flynn was the one person I was most iffy about in the Trump cabinet. Thank god he is gone.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed Rob Harward will take the position. He's another good guy in the Mattis mold, and is exactly what this admin needs to keep the mentally ill manbaby at the wheel from steering us off the cliff. Word is he's no fan of Bannon either, which makes me like him even more.
 

kage69

Lifer
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He's from a heavily Republican district, it's doubtful his constituents would hold him accountable at all.

Agreed. That guy has been a moron for a long time, his constituents don't seem to care. Still scratching my head over his Abe Lincoln break down, but I thought his performance at the last Planned Parenthood sideshow was pretty amusing. It takes talent to maintain a stupid snarky grin while you're being bitchslapped on national TV.
 

wirelessenabled

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I am of the opinion that no matter how good they are we, as a Nation, need to keep military folks out of the
Administration. Keep separate the civilian and the military parts of our Government.

Else what is the difference between the US and a Banana Republic where the Generals intercede as they feel necessary.

Mr. (Gen) Flynn being the poster boy for my opinion.
 
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