Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: amdhunter
Good.
Originally posted by: Anubis
That sounds justifiable to me
Originally posted by: BoomerD
IMO, the only thing the killer did wrong was to not hide/dispose of the body better.
Originally posted by: spidey07
There are very few reasons where it's OK to kill another. This is one of those reasons.
You people are all fucked up. Her (his) MURDER was NOT justifiable, you guys are WRONG to believe that it was.
Sarcasm meter out of whack?
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Holy shit spidey07, I like you, you're a great member, but your posts in this thread have me thinking that either this is a really intense troll job or this is an extremely touchy subject for you.
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
They must make really awesome fake vaginas these days.
Originally posted by: n yusef
With "ignorant," I describe BoomerD's statement that transgenderism = homosexuality. That is false. There are trans women (men who become women) who live as lesbians, dating women. Gender identity is related to sexual orientation, but it is not the same thing. I can say this confidently as a gay man who has never had the desire to become a woman. I suggest that all uninformed parties perform a Google search before responding further.
By "potentially violent," I speak of BoomerD's desire to murder someone who has deceived him, certainly a crime (sexual assault as I describe above), but caused no physical harm.
The rest of his post, I don't care about.
Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Kadarin
I'm not convinced it was sarcasm, though I hope it was.
This kind of thing really happens. (Note that in the link, the suspect exhibits no remorse, nor acknowledges that what he did was wrong in any way.)
No sarcasm. That is perfectly fine to kill another human over something like that. I think it's perfectly good and the correct thing to do.
I'm being serious.
Let's just say that my opinion of you has changed for the worse. By far. Secondly, I'm glad you're not making the laws in this country.
That's OK. I said there were very few reasons - self defense, ordered defense and this. This was not murder, it's justifiable homicide.
Regarding laws - allowing this kind of justifiable homicide is what we should do. It teaches a stern lesson to those who would repeat the deception. You can and will be killed if you deceive like this.
Like I said in my post on this, had this been disclosed at the start of the first date,
"Oh, BTW, I used to be a man, but I'm surgically altered into a female.", killing him two years later would have been wrong. HOWEVER, if he never told the husband...and led him on for two years, it's completely justified.
I'm getting to the point where I'd support a law that restricts transexuals/transgenders from dating outside their "community," and prohibits them from dating within the straight community.
No man I've ever known wants to reach between a girl's legs...and grab hold of a large penis if it isn't his own...nor do I think any of them would be too thrilled to find out later that the girl he's been boffing was instead a surgically altered male...in fact, having worked construction my whole life, I don't know of any of them who would be any less brutal in their opinions than I am. It's just fucking sick...and there should be swift and severe repercussions for such behavior on the part of the he-she.
So you guys believe that this guy should not have been charged with a crime?
From the article:
According to the affidavit, Andrade told police he began hitting Zapata with his fists, knocking her to the ground. He then grabbed a fire extinguisher and hit her in the head two times.
He told police he thought he had "killed it," referring to Zapata, and covered her with a blanket. He then set about trying to clean up the crime scene. While doing this, he heard "gurgling" sounds coming from the victim and saw Zapata sitting up. He hit her again with the fire extinguisher.
This time Zapata was dead.
How can that not be a crime? I believe that he deserves the death penalty for that.
Originally posted by: n yusef
Originally posted by: BoomerD
That one is a close call. The homosexual SHOULD have disclosed his sex and preference at the onset rather than leading the other guy to believe he was a female...especially before giving him a blowjob...
HOWEVER, this was a "first date" situation, so IMO, the guy would have been justified in beating the shit out of the homosexual, but killing him was over the line. I DO NOT support your idea of the death penalty though. He WAS justified in the assault...he just went too far with it. Give him a year of weekends in jail.
First, transgender/transsexual != homosexual. Please educate yourself.
Second, not disclosing trans status should be classified as sexual assault (similar to say, your brother having sex with your wife while she thinks it's you), but assault and murder are never acceptable outside of self-defense.
I truly hope that AT is not representative of the greater population.
Originally posted by: SirStev0
You know, I don't consider myself a "God-fearing man" or even a man who believes in god, but if I remember correctly in sunday school, there was some list of rules that pretty clearly said:
Thou shalt not kill (PERIOD)
I made that period extra big because I wanted you to notice that there wasn't any "unless" 's that were following that.
For some reason, I figured a god-fearing, conservative, law-abider type person would agree with that 10 point list. Guess that book only counts when it agrees with you.
"A vicious attack such as this, with the evidence of overkill and excessive brutality, leaves the whole transgender community feeling afraid to live their daily lives."
Originally posted by: Safeway
The article you linked contains:
"A vicious attack such as this, with the evidence of overkill and excessive brutality, leaves the whole transgender community feeling afraid to live their daily lives."
Uhm, why? Tell people you are transgendered prior to any sexual contact. Then, there is no deception and no bias-motivated rage.
Originally posted by: Safeway
The article you linked contains:
"A vicious attack such as this, with the evidence of overkill and excessive brutality, leaves the whole transgender community feeling afraid to live their daily lives."
Uhm, why? Tell people you are transgendered prior to any sexual contact. Then, there is no deception and no bias-motivated rage.
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
So you've been banging a post-op tranny, so what? Some people are way too full of themselves and that's why they freak out when shit like this happens.
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Safeway
The article you linked contains:
"A vicious attack such as this, with the evidence of overkill and excessive brutality, leaves the whole transgender community feeling afraid to live their daily lives."
Uhm, why? Tell people you are transgendered prior to any sexual contact. Then, there is no deception and no bias-motivated rage.
You can't blame the victim for the crimes committed against them. If you're so emotionally out of whack that you kill another person who isn't creating a direct threat to your life, then you gotta own that behavior no blaming the victim bullshit.
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Safeway
The article you linked contains:
"A vicious attack such as this, with the evidence of overkill and excessive brutality, leaves the whole transgender community feeling afraid to live their daily lives."
Uhm, why? Tell people you are transgendered prior to any sexual contact. Then, there is no deception and no bias-motivated rage.
You can't blame the victim for the crimes committed against them. If you're so emotionally out of whack that you kill another person who isn't creating a direct threat to your life, then you gotta own that behavior no blaming the victim bullshit.
You seem to be defending the "stealth transexual behavior." Are you one? That'd certainly explain a lot.
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Safeway
The article you linked contains:
"A vicious attack such as this, with the evidence of overkill and excessive brutality, leaves the whole transgender community feeling afraid to live their daily lives."
Uhm, why? Tell people you are transgendered prior to any sexual contact. Then, there is no deception and no bias-motivated rage.
You can't blame the victim for the crimes committed against them. If you're so emotionally out of whack that you kill another person who isn't creating a direct threat to your life, then you gotta own that behavior no blaming the victim bullshit.
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Safeway
The article you linked contains:
"A vicious attack such as this, with the evidence of overkill and excessive brutality, leaves the whole transgender community feeling afraid to live their daily lives."
Uhm, why? Tell people you are transgendered prior to any sexual contact. Then, there is no deception and no bias-motivated rage.
You can't blame the victim for the crimes committed against them. If you're so emotionally out of whack that you kill another person who isn't creating a direct threat to your life, then you gotta own that behavior no blaming the victim bullshit.
Originally posted by: Safeway
The article you linked contains:
"A vicious attack such as this, with the evidence of overkill and excessive brutality, leaves the whole transgender community feeling afraid to live their daily lives."
Uhm, why? Tell people you are transgendered prior to any sexual contact. Then, there is no deception and no bias-motivated rage.
Originally posted by: yh125d
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Safeway
The article you linked contains:
"A vicious attack such as this, with the evidence of overkill and excessive brutality, leaves the whole transgender community feeling afraid to live their daily lives."
Uhm, why? Tell people you are transgendered prior to any sexual contact. Then, there is no deception and no bias-motivated rage.
You can't blame the victim for the crimes committed against them. If you're so emotionally out of whack that you kill another person who isn't creating a direct threat to your life, then you gotta own that behavior no blaming the victim bullshit.
Nor (in this situation) can you place ALL the blame on the murderer. What he did was very, very wrong but it was caused by a conscious decision by the transgender not to tell him. That is a VERY dangerous lie to make and he/she should have known there was a very good chance that it would end violently somehow. I don't think the majority of men could just "walk away" from that without some level of violence. The transgender put themself in a position to cause the other persons rage to boil over and they have to deal with the results of their deception. Both are to blame, IMO.
Originally posted by: Safeway
If that was me, I'd probably have punched him a few times and got the fuck out of there.
What about this situation: Man goes to have sex with woman (real woman). The woman is HIV+ and knows this. She still has sex with the man without a condom, and he becomes HIV+.
To me, this is just like the man/transgender encounters. The transgender is hiding her natural sex on purpose, deceiving the man on purpose. The transgender knows that nothing would take place if the truth was out, but chooses to hide that truth.
Same thing with the HIV+ woman. She knows that there would be no sex if she spoke up about her disease. She chooses to hide it.
Hiding disease from a sexual partner is an actionable crime in criminal and civil court. Hiding gender should be too.
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Safeway
The article you linked contains:
"A vicious attack such as this, with the evidence of overkill and excessive brutality, leaves the whole transgender community feeling afraid to live their daily lives."
Uhm, why? Tell people you are transgendered prior to any sexual contact. Then, there is no deception and no bias-motivated rage.
Raping a straight man by pretending like you're a woman is the vicious attack.
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Safeway
The article you linked contains:
"A vicious attack such as this, with the evidence of overkill and excessive brutality, leaves the whole transgender community feeling afraid to live their daily lives."
Uhm, why? Tell people you are transgendered prior to any sexual contact. Then, there is no deception and no bias-motivated rage.
You can't blame the victim for the crimes committed against them. If you're so emotionally out of whack that you kill another person who isn't creating a direct threat to your life, then you gotta own that behavior no blaming the victim bullshit.
You seem to be defending the "stealth transexual behavior." Are you one? That'd certainly explain a lot.
I'm defending a person's right not to be killed by emotional infants.
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Safeway
The article you linked contains:
"A vicious attack such as this, with the evidence of overkill and excessive brutality, leaves the whole transgender community feeling afraid to live their daily lives."
Uhm, why? Tell people you are transgendered prior to any sexual contact. Then, there is no deception and no bias-motivated rage.
You can't blame the victim for the crimes committed against them. If you're so emotionally out of whack that you kill another person who isn't creating a direct threat to your life, then you gotta own that behavior no blaming the victim bullshit.
You seem to be defending the "stealth transexual behavior." Are you one? That'd certainly explain a lot.
I'm defending a person's right not to be killed by emotional infants.
If you had anal sex with a man who had a wig on and only presented his anus only to turn around after you were done and flash his penis you would keep your emotional cool and just walk away?
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Safeway
The article you linked contains:
"A vicious attack such as this, with the evidence of overkill and excessive brutality, leaves the whole transgender community feeling afraid to live their daily lives."
Uhm, why? Tell people you are transgendered prior to any sexual contact. Then, there is no deception and no bias-motivated rage.
You can't blame the victim for the crimes committed against them. If you're so emotionally out of whack that you kill another person who isn't creating a direct threat to your life, then you gotta own that behavior no blaming the victim bullshit.
You seem to be defending the "stealth transexual behavior." Are you one? That'd certainly explain a lot.
I'm defending a person's right not to be killed by emotional infants.
If you had anal sex with a man who had a wig on and only presented his anus only to turn around after you were done and flash his penis you would keep your emotional cool and just walk away?
Not a comparable situation.