Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: yh125d
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Safeway
The article you linked contains:
"A vicious attack such as this, with the evidence of overkill and excessive brutality, leaves the whole transgender community feeling afraid to live their daily lives."
Uhm, why? Tell people you are transgendered prior to any sexual contact. Then, there is no deception and no bias-motivated rage.
You can't blame the victim for the crimes committed against them. If you're so emotionally out of whack that you kill another person who isn't creating a direct threat to your life, then you gotta own that behavior no blaming the victim bullshit.
Nor (in this situation) can you place ALL the blame on the murderer. What he did was very, very wrong but it was caused by a conscious decision by the transgender not to tell him. That is a VERY dangerous lie to make and he/she should have known there was a very good chance that it would end violently somehow. I don't think the majority of men could just "walk away" from that without some level of violence. The transgender put themself in a position to cause the other persons rage to boil over and they have to deal with the results of their deception. Both are to blame, IMO.
Yeah I can place all the blame on the murderer. It's not like the tranny was a willing participant in his own death. Society can coddle people into thinking there is always an excuse for childish behavior but I reject your rationalization of murder.
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Safeway
The article you linked contains:
"A vicious attack such as this, with the evidence of overkill and excessive brutality, leaves the whole transgender community feeling afraid to live their daily lives."
Uhm, why? Tell people you are transgendered prior to any sexual contact. Then, there is no deception and no bias-motivated rage.
Raping a straight man by pretending like you're a woman is the vicious attack.
Over-react much? Men lie to women all the time to get laid. Same song, different verse.
Originally posted by: yh125d
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: yh125d
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Safeway
The article you linked contains:
"A vicious attack such as this, with the evidence of overkill and excessive brutality, leaves the whole transgender community feeling afraid to live their daily lives."
Uhm, why? Tell people you are transgendered prior to any sexual contact. Then, there is no deception and no bias-motivated rage.
You can't blame the victim for the crimes committed against them. If you're so emotionally out of whack that you kill another person who isn't creating a direct threat to your life, then you gotta own that behavior no blaming the victim bullshit.
Nor (in this situation) can you place ALL the blame on the murderer. What he did was very, very wrong but it was caused by a conscious decision by the transgender not to tell him. That is a VERY dangerous lie to make and he/she should have known there was a very good chance that it would end violently somehow. I don't think the majority of men could just "walk away" from that without some level of violence. The transgender put themself in a position to cause the other persons rage to boil over and they have to deal with the results of their deception. Both are to blame, IMO.
Yeah I can place all the blame on the murderer. It's not like the tranny was a willing participant in his own death. Society can coddle people into thinking there is always an excuse for childish behavior but I reject your rationalization of murder.
That is not a rationalization for murder. It is the recognition that the transgender put THEMSELF in the situation to be harmed.
If a man sits in his parked Mercedes in the "ghetto" and gets carjacked, it is the carjackers fault, but also the fault of the driver who parked his car there
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: yh125d
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: yh125d
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Safeway
The article you linked contains:
"A vicious attack such as this, with the evidence of overkill and excessive brutality, leaves the whole transgender community feeling afraid to live their daily lives."
Uhm, why? Tell people you are transgendered prior to any sexual contact. Then, there is no deception and no bias-motivated rage.
You can't blame the victim for the crimes committed against them. If you're so emotionally out of whack that you kill another person who isn't creating a direct threat to your life, then you gotta own that behavior no blaming the victim bullshit.
Nor (in this situation) can you place ALL the blame on the murderer. What he did was very, very wrong but it was caused by a conscious decision by the transgender not to tell him. That is a VERY dangerous lie to make and he/she should have known there was a very good chance that it would end violently somehow. I don't think the majority of men could just "walk away" from that without some level of violence. The transgender put themself in a position to cause the other persons rage to boil over and they have to deal with the results of their deception. Both are to blame, IMO.
Yeah I can place all the blame on the murderer. It's not like the tranny was a willing participant in his own death. Society can coddle people into thinking there is always an excuse for childish behavior but I reject your rationalization of murder.
That is not a rationalization for murder. It is the recognition that the transgender put THEMSELF in the situation to be harmed.
If a man sits in his parked Mercedes in the "ghetto" and gets carjacked, it is the carjackers fault, but also the fault of the driver who parked his car there
I agree with this statement, but it does not excuse the murderer's actions.
Originally posted by: Kadarin
You guys are fucked up. I'm completely disgusted with you.
Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: BoomerD
So you guys believe that this guy should not have been charged with a crime?
From the article:
According to the affidavit, Andrade told police he began hitting Zapata with his fists, knocking her to the ground. He then grabbed a fire extinguisher and hit her in the head two times.
He told police he thought he had "killed it," referring to Zapata, and covered her with a blanket. He then set about trying to clean up the crime scene. While doing this, he heard "gurgling" sounds coming from the victim and saw Zapata sitting up. He hit her again with the fire extinguisher.
This time Zapata was dead.
How can that not be a crime? I believe that he deserves the death penalty for that.
In his opening statements Thursday, one of Andrade's attorneys, Bradley Martin, told the jury that while Andrade did kill Zapata, it was not premeditated. Instead, Andrade acted in a moment of rage upon discovering that Zapata was transgender. "He snapped," said Martin, adding that Andrade "flew into an uncontrollable rage."
this is the same way id expect all these trials to go. right or wrong is subjective, the law will always have a way out for emotionally driven crime.
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
One weirdo sex change person off this planet. I really don't get why people do stupid things like that.
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Safeway
The article you linked contains:
"A vicious attack such as this, with the evidence of overkill and excessive brutality, leaves the whole transgender community feeling afraid to live their daily lives."
Uhm, why? Tell people you are transgendered prior to any sexual contact. Then, there is no deception and no bias-motivated rage.
Raping a straight man by pretending like you're a woman is the vicious attack.
Over-react much? Men lie to women all the time to get laid. Same song, different verse.
Under-react much? This is a completely different "song." This is unconsensual sex with the same gender. This is rape.
Think about the emotional trauma a straight individual would go through after finding out he was deceived by and received sexual acts from a man. Even if he just leaves immediately without harming the deceitful transgender, he has shit to deal with for a long time.
He should be able to press charges and sue for compensation.
Originally posted by: Safeway
If that was me, I'd probably have punched him a few times and got the fuck out of there.
What about this situation: Man goes to have sex with woman (real woman). The woman is HIV+ and knows this. She still has sex with the man without a condom, and he becomes HIV+.
To me, this is just like the man/transgender encounters. The transgender is hiding her natural sex on purpose, deceiving the man on purpose. The transgender knows that nothing would take place if the truth was out, but chooses to hide that truth.
Same thing with the HIV+ woman. She knows that there would be no sex if she spoke up about her disease. She chooses to hide it.
Hiding disease from a sexual partner is an actionable crime in criminal and civil court. Hiding gender should be too.
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: Safeway
If that was me, I'd probably have punched him a few times and got the fuck out of there.
What about this situation: Man goes to have sex with woman (real woman). The woman is HIV+ and knows this. She still has sex with the man without a condom, and he becomes HIV+.
To me, this is just like the man/transgender encounters. The transgender is hiding her natural sex on purpose, deceiving the man on purpose. The transgender knows that nothing would take place if the truth was out, but chooses to hide that truth.
Same thing with the HIV+ woman. She knows that there would be no sex if she spoke up about her disease. She chooses to hide it.
Hiding disease from a sexual partner is an actionable crime in criminal and civil court. Hiding gender should be too.
Completely different scenarios, and not really comparable. If someone lies about having HIV to their sexual partners, their sexual partners risk contracting an incurable disease that requires a drastic lifestyle change and regular treatments for the rest of their life (with a reduced life span to boot). What is someone going to catch from a tranny, "the gay"? You find out that you had sex with a dude, your life doesn't change forever. You don't require medication to keep you alive. It's not the same thing.
Hiding gender from a sexual partner is an actionable crime in court, as it should be. What the transsexual woman did in this situation was despicable; you should not deceive anyone in such a way, especially for such a long period of time. However, that does not justify her murder. The man should have taken her to court, sued her for a shit-ton of money, and gone on with his life. What he did was morally evil, and he should be imprisoned for it. Anyone who feels that murder is justifiable for being lied to, even about something as emotional as love, is a legitimate danger to society.
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Safeway
The article you linked contains:
"A vicious attack such as this, with the evidence of overkill and excessive brutality, leaves the whole transgender community feeling afraid to live their daily lives."
Uhm, why? Tell people you are transgendered prior to any sexual contact. Then, there is no deception and no bias-motivated rage.
You can't blame the victim for the crimes committed against them. If you're so emotionally out of whack that you kill another person who isn't creating a direct threat to your life, then you gotta own that behavior no blaming the victim bullshit.
If that was me, I'd probably have punched him a few times and got the fuck out of there.
What about this situation: Man goes to have sex with woman (real woman). The woman is HIV+ and knows this. She still has sex with the man without a condom, and he becomes HIV+.
To me, this is just like the man/transgender encounters. The transgender is hiding her natural sex on purpose, deceiving the man on purpose. The transgender knows that nothing would take place if the truth was out, but chooses to hide that truth.
Same thing with the HIV+ woman. She knows that there would be no sex if she spoke up about her disease. She chooses to hide it.
Hiding disease from a sexual partner is an actionable crime in criminal and civil court. Hiding gender should be too.
Originally posted by: dennilfloss
The murderer could not tell the difference for two years, which means that unless he wanted children, there was no difference.
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: JS80
there should be some kind of law to protect unsuspecting people from these mental fuckheads
There are already laws against murder.
Originally posted by: yh125d
Originally posted by: SirStev0
You know, I don't consider myself a "God-fearing man" or even a man who believes in god, but if I remember correctly in sunday school, there was some list of rules that pretty clearly said:
Thou shalt not kill (PERIOD)
I made that period extra big because I wanted you to notice that there wasn't any "unless" 's that were following that.
For some reason, I figured a god-fearing, conservative, law-abider type person would agree with that 10 point list. Guess that book only counts when it agrees with you.
There is also a section which details a few situations is justified. eye for an eye etc, if a man kills the child/wife of another man, it's (biblically) justified to kill that man, etc...
***Although I do not agree with what happened to the transgender I jsut wanted to point that out to him***
Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
Ya know....I'm trying to be sympthetic to the trans...but he lied and tricked the the other guy into two years of sex. Theres no doubt going by the murderers action that he would ever have consented if he had known. Therefore it's rape if you ask me. Two years of it.
Does it justify murder? No, of course not. But I hope ther jury takes it easy on him. I would have been furious and disgusted as well, if I had been in the same situation he would have gotten a beating from me thats for sure.
Make no mistake, the trans is a he. Not a she, no matter what they do.
Originally posted by: VashHT
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Safeway
The article you linked contains:
"A vicious attack such as this, with the evidence of overkill and excessive brutality, leaves the whole transgender community feeling afraid to live their daily lives."
Uhm, why? Tell people you are transgendered prior to any sexual contact. Then, there is no deception and no bias-motivated rage.
You can't blame the victim for the crimes committed against them. If you're so emotionally out of whack that you kill another person who isn't creating a direct threat to your life, then you gotta own that behavior no blaming the victim bullshit.
If that was me, I'd probably have punched him a few times and got the fuck out of there.
What about this situation: Man goes to have sex with woman (real woman). The woman is HIV+ and knows this. She still has sex with the man without a condom, and he becomes HIV+.
To me, this is just like the man/transgender encounters. The transgender is hiding her natural sex on purpose, deceiving the man on purpose. The transgender knows that nothing would take place if the truth was out, but chooses to hide that truth.
Same thing with the HIV+ woman. She knows that there would be no sex if she spoke up about her disease. She chooses to hide it.
Hiding disease from a sexual partner is an actionable crime in criminal and civil court. Hiding gender should be too.
This is a retarded comparison, you don't get a permanent disease from sleeping with a trans-sexual. He could have moved on and lived his life normally, something you could not do if you contracted HIV from someone.
Originally posted by: OsoVerde
:disgust:
The only thing that guy would have been justified in doing was dumping the girlfriend.
If she was morally obligated to tell him she was born with the wrong bits, he should have been obligated to tell her he was dangerously unstable, right? Transwomen get harassed or murdered just for existing, so I can see why some would not be forthcoming about it. The murdered girlfriend probably just wanted to live a normal life as a female, since she identified as a woman and not a man.
Uhg, ATOT is full of violent homophobes apparently. Gay dudes aren't any more interested in being women than dating women. Transwomen aren't gay, unless they like chicks. Think about this- You'd still consider yourselves men even if you lost your dangly bits in an accident, correct? Or if you grew tits from hormonal problems? Gender is more about how you percieve yourself than what's in your pants. Some people are born with a body that looks one gender but they feel another. Some people are born with a body that isn't obviously male or female, then what? Nature or god doesn't always make a mind and body that match. Would you suggest killing people born with 6 fingers or one leg or a really ugly nose because it doesn't fit your preferences? What if the person got a nose job to look better?
Originally posted by: OsoVerde
Uhg, ATOT is full of violent homophobes apparently. Gay dudes aren't any more interested in being women than dating women. Transwomen aren't gay, unless they like chicks. Think about this- You'd still consider yourselves men even if you lost your dangly bits in an accident, correct? Or if you grew tits from hormonal problems? Gender is more about how you percieve yourself than what's in your pants. Some people are born with a body that looks one gender but they feel another. Some people are born with a body that isn't obviously male or female, then what? Nature or god doesn't always make a mind and body that match. Would you suggest killing people born with 6 fingers or one leg or a really ugly nose because it doesn't fit your preferences? What if the person got a nose job to look better?