Nuclear chief: No "smoking gun" in Iraq

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I think a Yale educated man with access to the entirety of the United States' intelligence is in a better position to make a decision about Iraq and Saddam Hussein than a bunch of overweight JC dropouts who think hating Republicans will help them pick up on the hippy chicks at Starbucks.

Didn't he get his degree in basket weaving?



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[hagbard]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Actually, we said they were not complying (they said we were spying) . . . of course, we were spying b/c they weren't complying.

Right, we wanted to know what all those Iraqi trucks were transporting under the cover of darkness as our satellites caught them departing from an uninspected site often hours before inspectors arrived and traveling to a location which had already been inspected or Hussein refused to allow inspectors into.

The Bush administration position is inconsistent with the facts with one exception . . . Iraq has never met its obligations

That an Iraq has repeatedly pulled out all the stops in an attempt to hamper, frustrate, and obstruct inspections.

That was true the first time around, it isn't true this time. Now, if GWB wants to pick a fight, why doesn't he go after N. Korea? They are a threat. Of course, I know why, they'd kick your ass (oh, and they don't have the oil).

No we would kick NK arse too. BUt we have much better diplomatic means to deal with NK now.

You wouldn't stand a chance.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I think a Yale educated man with access to the entirety of the United States' intelligence is in a better position to make a decision about Iraq and Saddam Hussein than a bunch of overweight JC dropouts who think hating Republicans will help them pick up on the hippy chicks at Starbucks.

Didn't he get his degree in basket weaving?



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Not unless that's a prerequisite for a Master of Business Administration from Harvard Business School.

 

[etech]

hagbard

You seem to be conviently forgetting that Iraq lost a war that it started. The US and Israel did not lose the war.

Iraq signed an agreement that it would disarm. For many years it did everything it could to hang on to it's weapons and to hamper the inspectors. This is NOT a new war. It is just the finishing up of the Gulf War. It's been going on for far too long. The sanctions while not intended to do hurt the people of Iraq. Having to maintain the no-fly zones to try and keep Saddam from killing off of the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs is expensive and dangerous to US and British forces. Saddam by his defiance keeps the regions unsetteled and in a state of turmoil.

It's time for it to be over.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Actually, we said they were not complying (they said we were spying) . . . of course, we were spying b/c they weren't complying.

Right, we wanted to know what all those Iraqi trucks were transporting under the cover of darkness as our satellites caught them departing from an uninspected site often hours before inspectors arrived and traveling to a location which had already been inspected or Hussein refused to allow inspectors into.

The Bush administration position is inconsistent with the facts with one exception . . . Iraq has never met its obligations

That an Iraq has repeatedly pulled out all the stops in an attempt to hamper, frustrate, and obstruct inspections.

That was true the first time around, it isn't true this time. Now, if GWB wants to pick a fight, why doesn't he go after N. Korea? They are a threat. Of course, I know why, they'd kick your ass (oh, and they don't have the oil).

No we would kick NK arse too. BUt we have much better diplomatic means to deal with NK now.

You wouldn't stand a chance.

Why do you say that?

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Actually, we said they were not complying (they said we were spying) . . . of course, we were spying b/c they weren't complying.

Right, we wanted to know what all those Iraqi trucks were transporting under the cover of darkness as our satellites caught them departing from an uninspected site often hours before inspectors arrived and traveling to a location which had already been inspected or Hussein refused to allow inspectors into.

The Bush administration position is inconsistent with the facts with one exception . . . Iraq has never met its obligations

That an Iraq has repeatedly pulled out all the stops in an attempt to hamper, frustrate, and obstruct inspections.

That was true the first time around, it isn't true this time. Now, if GWB wants to pick a fight, why doesn't he go after N. Korea? They are a threat. Of course, I know why, they'd kick your ass (oh, and they don't have the oil).

"That was true the first time around, it isn't true this time."
I assume you have proof...oh you don't...okay well you're speculation is good enough for me.

Provided it further up in the thread.

"Now, if GWB wants to pick a fight, why doesn't he go after N. Korea? They are a threat. Of course, I know why, they'd kick your ass (oh, and they don't have the oil)."
So you're just another American hater? [/quote]

I'm not a fan of US foreign policy, that part is true. Don't much care for those who support the US government's empire building efforts either.

Join the club...it consists of every insecure citizen of countries with inferiority complexes who can't take accountability for their own problems.

Hey, I live in the happiest country in the world, and we have a Rand study to back it up.



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[hagbard]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I think a Yale educated man with access to the entirety of the United States' intelligence is in a better position to make a decision about Iraq and Saddam Hussein than a bunch of overweight JC dropouts who think hating Republicans will help them pick up on the hippy chicks at Starbucks.

Didn't he get his degree in basket weaving?



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Not unless that's a prerequisite for a Master of Business Administration from Harvard Business School.

Daddy Bush probably made a large donation to the ol' school.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: etech
hagbard

You seem to be conviently forgetting that Iraq lost a war that it started. The US and Israel did not lose the war.

Iraq started the war thinking their old friend the US would stand behind them. The US didn't seem to mind when they were killing Kurds, why would they mind if they reclaim old territory?

Iraq signed an agreement that it would disarm. For many years it did everything it could to hang on to it's weapons and to hamper the inspectors. This is NOT a new war. It is just the finishing up of the Gulf War. It's been going on for far too long. The sanctions while not intended to do hurt the people of Iraq. Having to maintain the no-fly zones to try and keep Saddam from killing off of the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs is expensive and dangerous to US and British forces. Saddam by his defiance keeps the regions unsetteled and in a state of turmoil.

It's time for it to be over.

It is over....you're government is just pumped up to get it going again, for obvious reasons.

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Iraq started the war thinking their old friend the US would stand behind them. The US didn't seem to mind when they were killing Kurds, why would they mind if they reclaim old territory?

Yeah, it is always USA's fault. If we don't do anything we get blamed, if we take action, we are considered war-mongers...Can't win either way.

Tell us, what have your contry done to make this world a better place?

It is over....you're government is just pumped up to get it going again, for obvious reasons.

Again, how is your government any better? Has your government done anything like saved Kurds or shi'as?

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

You cannot prove something exists. You can show that something exists, but you cannot prove it exists or not exists.

Please pass your philosophical wisdom on to our President . . . The Bush administration says it has solid evidence that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, but feels no obligation to prove its allegations before leading an attack on Baghdad.

Apparently they aren't going to show us either.

I am sure it will be shown when the time is right.

Any idea when that time is? Seriously.

Damn but I hope it's soon just so I don't have to see another post by Gaard asking "when will we see the proof".


The proof if found will be presented at the proper time. I can almost guarantee that it will not be before the UN inspectors make their presentation to the Security Council on the 27th?. Until then take a deep breath and don't hold it.

There were some people asking why the US doesn't just tell the inspectors where to look. One, they may have and the inspectors are just waiting until right before the SC meeting to find and present the evidance. Two, it's quite possible that the US knows that Iraq has the materials and the experiance to make the banned weapons. They may even have reports from defectors that they have been made. That of course does not mean the US can tell the UN inspectors exactly where they are stored.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: etech
hagbard

You seem to be conviently forgetting that Iraq lost a war that it started. The US and Israel did not lose the war.

Iraq started the war thinking their old friend the US would stand behind them. The US didn't seem to mind when they were killing Kurds, why would they mind if they reclaim old territory?

Iraq signed an agreement that it would disarm. For many years it did everything it could to hang on to it's weapons and to hamper the inspectors. This is NOT a new war. It is just the finishing up of the Gulf War. It's been going on for far too long. The sanctions while not intended to do hurt the people of Iraq. Having to maintain the no-fly zones to try and keep Saddam from killing off of the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs is expensive and dangerous to US and British forces. Saddam by his defiance keeps the regions unsetteled and in a state of turmoil.

It's time for it to be over.

It is over....you're government is just pumped up to get it going again, for obvious reasons.

Hagbard, you just moved into the realm of fantasy. Iraq did not believe that the US would mind if they invaded Kuwait. You can't prove it and seem to be just making things up now. I can provide a link where Tariq Aziz said that he knew the US would respond to the invasion in a hostile manner.

It is not over until the conditions of the end of the cease fire are met. They have not been met. It is not over no matter how much you whine. Try dealing with the real world and some facts for a change.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: SlowSS

Originally posted by: hagbard

Iraq started the war thinking their old friend the US would stand behind them. The US didn't seem to mind when they were killing Kurds, why would they mind if they reclaim old territory?

Yeah, it is always USA's fault. If we don't do anything we get blamed, if we take action, we are considered war-mongers...Can't win either way.

Tell us, what have your contry done to make this world a better place?

That would be bragging. Why don't you ask all those American's with Maple Leafs on their backpacks?

It is over....you're government is just pumped up to get it going again, for obvious reasons.

Again, how is your government any better? Has your government done anything like saved Kurds or shi'as?[/quote]

Yeah. We made a movie

 

[Gaard]

etech - <<Damn but I hope it's soon just so I don't have to see another post by Gaard asking "when will we see the proof".>>

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Boil that dust speck!

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: SlowSS

Originally posted by: hagbard

Iraq started the war thinking their old friend the US would stand behind them. The US didn't seem to mind when they were killing Kurds, why would they mind if they reclaim old territory?

Yeah, it is always USA's fault. If we don't do anything we get blamed, if we take action, we are considered war-mongers...Can't win either way.

Tell us, what have your contry done to make this world a better place?

That would be bragging. Why don't you ask all those American's with Maple Leafs on their backpacks?

It is over....you're government is just pumped up to get it going again, for obvious reasons.

Again, how is your government any better? Has your government done anything like saved Kurds or shi'as?

Yeah. We made a movie [/quote]

Yup, that is what I thought.

Not a damn thing.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Canada, eh? I hit the nail on the freakin' head when I said inferiority complex.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: etech
hagbard

You seem to be conviently forgetting that Iraq lost a war that it started. The US and Israel did not lose the war.

Iraq started the war thinking their old friend the US would stand behind them. The US didn't seem to mind when they were killing Kurds, why would they mind if they reclaim old territory?

Iraq signed an agreement that it would disarm. For many years it did everything it could to hang on to it's weapons and to hamper the inspectors. This is NOT a new war. It is just the finishing up of the Gulf War. It's been going on for far too long. The sanctions while not intended to do hurt the people of Iraq. Having to maintain the no-fly zones to try and keep Saddam from killing off of the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs is expensive and dangerous to US and British forces. Saddam by his defiance keeps the regions unsetteled and in a state of turmoil.

It's time for it to be over.

It is over....you're government is just pumped up to get it going again, for obvious reasons.

Hagbard, you just moved into the realm of fantasy. Iraq did not believe that the US would mind if they invaded Kuwait. You can't prove it and seem to be just making things up now. I can provide a link where Tariq Aziz said that he knew the US would respond to the invasion in a hostile manner.

Go for it. Don't you think Saddam would be a bit nuts (haha) to enter Kuwait thinking the US might take action against them? I did read an article stating that Saddam believed he was safe in "invading" Kuwait because Kuwait was drilling beyond its border and he thought the US would back him up. I'll have a look around and post it.

It is not over until the conditions of the end of the cease fire are met. They have not been met. It is not over no matter how much you whine. Try dealing with the real world and some facts for a change.

Tell that to your President.

 

[Gaard]

And when the evidence is finally revealed...whenever that is...I expect to get a couple dozen There. You happy now?'s fome various members.

And on the flip side, if it becomes obvious that we were never in possession of any rock-hard evidence a few members should expect a In your face! from me.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Canada, eh? I hit the nail on the freakin' head when I said inferiority complex.

Its hard to fell inferior...let me try...................sorry, can't do it. Again, why are all those American kids wearing the flag of our inferior country?? You think it might be because Canadians are loved world-wide and Americans not?

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Canada, eh? I hit the nail on the freakin' head when I said inferiority complex.

Its hard to fell inferior...let me try...................sorry, can't do it. Again, why are all those American kids wearing the flag of our inferior country?? You think it might be because Canadians are loved world-wide and Americans not?

The kids probably think it's a pot leaf.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Gaard
And when the evidence is finally revealed...whenever that is...I expect to get a couple dozen There. You happy now?'s fome various members.

And on the flip side, if it becomes obvious that we were never in possession of any rock-hard evidence a few members should expect a In your face! from me.

If the evidence comes from anywhere other than those UN inspectors, I'd be very suspicious.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Canada, eh? I hit the nail on the freakin' head when I said inferiority complex.

Its hard to fell inferior...let me try...................sorry, can't do it. Again, why are all those American kids wearing the flag of our inferior country?? You think it might be because Canadians are loved world-wide and Americans not?

The kids probably think it's a pot leaf.

It is, you didn't know that?

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Canada, eh? I hit the nail on the freakin' head when I said inferiority complex.

Its hard to fell inferior...let me try...................sorry, can't do it. Again, why are all those American kids wearing the flag of our inferior country?? You think it might be because Canadians are loved world-wide and Americans not?

The kids probably think it's a pot leaf.

It is, you didn't know that?

It would explain many of your answers and the way you can ignore questions.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Canada, eh? I hit the nail on the freakin' head when I said inferiority complex.

Its hard to fell inferior...let me try...................sorry, can't do it. Again, why are all those American kids wearing the flag of our inferior country?? You think it might be because Canadians are loved world-wide and Americans not?

The kids probably think it's a pot leaf.

It is, you didn't know that?

It would explain many of your answers and the way you can ignore questions.

A smart-assed comment deserves a smart-assed response.

 

[hagbard]

Here are some Americans I like:

libertarians for peace