Nugget - This is your thread

[Dantoo]

David,

You may well feel that by being in here you are likely to spill more fat on the fire. Look around it's already blazing and despite your absence the flames are growing. It's not just TA that's burning, but this is a very good place for you to start to get things under control.

There is very little actually required of you. 95% of people that are currently contributing would accept a straight apology for the "unreasoning" slur. You don't really need to add much more. If you've kept up with the comment around the boards you would understand that very few have demanded more.

NOTE: An apology for your comment in respect of those people that have shown their support for David and Donna McOwen in no way requires you to take sides in that debate

 

[ragiepew]

hate to sound misinformed... what what did Nugget do and who is he?

 

[Train]

He's the president of Distributed.net

 

[Russ]

ragiepew,

He very publicly hung David out to dry.

Russ, NCNE

 

[ragiepew]

ahh... so this is what i must have missed then when replying to your other thread... does anyone have a link to this so I can read what he said?

 

[Paulson]

All info can be found here

 

[phule]

It's too bad more people haven't read Nugget's response in this thread:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=39&threadid=516818&highlight_key=y

and have, rather, relied on the various bits of dis-information that have been passed back and forth over and over again, until they resemble the furthest thing from the truth.

 

[Russ]

phule,

I did read his response. He's still a gutless puke.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Wiz]

Phule, like usual you missed it.
Lots of people have read his response and noted the lack of retraction of the main issue -
that defending David is "unreasoned". What this means is that he thinks it is stupid to defend David.
According to your profile you are in Chicago - which last I checked is still under the laws of the USA.
This does not of course mean that you are a US citizen, but you should know by now that many of us regard the "innocent until proven guilty" principal to be extremely important. Further if many here feel an empathy towards David for one reason or another and thoughtfully find the charges against him to be outlandish that is a function of their reasoning ability and should be respected at least as much as you would like your own thoughts and feeling to be respected.
The fact that Nugget does not respect the reasoning ability of all these myriads of Dnet users simply means he does not deserve them.

 

[phule]

You've just never been to Chicago, Wiz.

And your reaction is very typical of someone who is letting their emotions drive their fingers. it's too bad, because I imagine that you're otherwise an intelligent individual.

Once again, I do get it. I've gotten it since day one.

 

[Robor]

phule: Sorry bud, you're in the minority here. Have you stopped to consider why?

Rob

 

[ViRGE]

Because you people are lost in your reasoning, as you started this quest to save Dave, and now fight it to destory all those(including fellow team members, by chipping at them piece by piece) who don't agree with all of your logic.

 

[Russ]

<< Because you people are lost in your reasoning >>



I intend to remain &quot;lost&quot; in my reasoning. The destruction of David's life is far more important to me then every frigging contest on earth.

Russ, NCNE

 

[DanC]

Wrong again ViRGE.

Why can't you see that we got into this because of heavy-handed governmental abuse?
Everyone who supports this action in any way, shape, or form is a socialist moron and deserves what they ultimately will get. A police state.

I for one will join the resistance if there are enough Americans left that will fight for freedom.
Anyone who won't should move. I hear China is nice this time of year.

 

[fdiskboy]

Things are really starting to get nasty around here.

I think perhaps everyone should take some time away from AT -- and devote that time to whatever you see fit.

Some believe (as I do) that trying to salvage a man's life over some silly little mistake/misunderstanding is a noble thing to do. I'm not sure why so many people are acting like that is such a bad thing.

However, everyone has a right to their opinion. It might be best if both sides stepped back from the &quot;I'm logical and you're not&quot; attacks and took a break.

:frown:

I really feel for David.

 

[ViRGE]

DanC, are you far too wound up to see what you speak? To go about calling people a &quot;socilist&quot; is failing to help Dave, anf failing to resolve the issue. Instead, it begins again. A chip here trying to belittle someone by calling them a socalist; a chip there by calling them a moron. All the while Dave sits, now without a job, probably wondering just how this is helping him.

 

[DanC]

Take a break ViRGE, you're babbling.

 

[Wiz]

Phule, that's an interesting statement:

You've just never been to Chicago, Wiz.

Wrong again! I do know that politics are 'unique' in Chicago, but also that innocent until proven guilty (or until paid off or taken out) is also important there. I have actually spent some good time there. I can't abide the heat and humidity though as I am more used to the moderate weather here.

Also wrong on your main response - I don't believe I had much of any &quot;feelings&quot; at all while typing.
Just a matter of being ashamed to have contributed to a group where the leadership thinks of us as stupid unreasoning lemmings. I guess if I were guilty of an emotion (which isn't a crime last I heard) it would be that I am indignant.

Thanks for being an almost lone voice of opposition though, I know it must be tough with almost everybody else in the community thinking differently than you. I appreciate that you stick around - maybe you are just here for the conflict? Do you actually contribute any blocks for any of the teams here at TA?

I suppose that if it were you and your life were being systematically destroyed by the government and by the likes of ZDNet and others then maybe, just maybe your attitude would be a little different.
But then I am just projecting again. Maybe you are a souless ba$tard who couldn't give a crap about your fellow man.
It's impossible to know for sure, and I'm not going to judge you either way by the little I know of you from these discussions.
I generally choose to think of others (including you) as the highly reasoned moral creatures that I would like the world to be made up of.
Knowing that dissapointment is just a necessary byproduct of that world view does not cause me to change it.
I genuinely hope you never face the kind of hell David has in his life right now, but if you did I believe we would probably all come to your defense as well - even knowing what your views have been here and in the other forums where you have also posted. (but then I speak for myself alone)

 

[ViRGE]

If I take a break, then the odds are that you'll continue chipping at people, destroying instead of helping. That cannot happen, comrade; instead, both you and I must work together to help Dave by doing good things for him.

 

[phule]

Wiz,

The chicago comment was a joke, as you partially surmised, towards the wonderful politics we have here. It was meant as nothing more.

As for the rest of your reply, it's just more of the same emotionally charged slander. It's not worthy of even these two sentances to discuss.

 

[networkman]

I have to agree with what fdiskboy just stated above.

 

[Wiz]

Phule, you must lack the vocabulary to express yourself. Claiming the opposition is &quot;emotionally charged slander&quot; over and over only reveals that you have nothing original to say.
Once again, I feel nothing towards you. I don't know you. I only know you showed up here in the forums at the same time the McCowen thing started up. I don't know but I suspect you have never contributed anything positive either in your comments or in the way of work done for any of the teams here.
You seem to be here only for the conflict but have only the simple mindedness to reply that you can't reply to emotional statements.
You are a very poor debate and I am done with you.

 

[Possessed Freak]

last I heard, the forum rules state you can't attack another member... but oh well...

as of every situation, there are multiple sides to it.

On one, there is the side that the governement is always wrong, that they are stupid morons who don't know the first thing about anything technical. If that is true, then we are wasting taxes, and are voting for the WRONG people.

What about choice 2? That the government might have reason to press charges against Dave for misuse of their computers. The trial will prove if this is true or not, remember in America, your peers will get to decide your fate, I am sure with the amount of information Dave's lawyer is recieving from the tech savy world, the facts will be there for all to see, along with the totally baffling fee that they are going for.

choice 3? That the government, while good in nature, got this case wrong? Again, that will come out in trial, if it gets that far. With the amount of information pouring into Georgia's office, they might realize that this case better be dropped fast.

lets look at dnet's stance:
They MUST state that they can not support people who illegally installed the client. If they did not go against this issue, then 90% of the clients would end up illegally installed, something they can not do for fear of them being sued by 10 thousand companies for promoting it.

Now, the general internet population knows next to nothing about this case, they just see a fellow nerd being taken down by 'the man.' Those who know about distributed computing probably think this is the stupidest case they ever heard and voice that opinion without realizing that it is quite possible that dave illegally installed the software. What of the tech guru's 99% of AT forum readers think they are? They see a fellow forum member being taken down by 'the man' and they are more emotionally attatched to this man vs everybody listed prior because, my god he reads the same forum they do.
Sounds like an uninformed mob-mentality to me.

Who here knows every aspect of this case? nobody, not even dave, his lawyer, or georgia's representatives. All we can do is offer our own opinions to maybe further understand this situation. While most here choose to say that Georgia is 100% wrong, others think that *if* proven that Dave installed the client illegally, some form of punishment (albeit less than what is being demanded) is reasonable to thwart others who might want to install the client w/o permission. Still others have total faith in their government and can not envision they can be wrong, so they think Dave should rot in jail.

Opinions make us who we are. Without them, we ARE a senseless mob and nugget is right. Do not attack people for voicing their's, or you become those you claim to hate.

 

[phule]

Wiz,

Everything in your reply is either wrong or a lie. It's pathetic how you think you can make something up about an individual and then pretend it's fact, and _then_ attack these made up facts.

I'm not a poor debater, I'm just not going to fall victim to your trolling.

 

[Wiz]

I apologize if anyone thinks I have attacked Phule. I never meant anything I said as an attack.
I made observations, I pledged that I would defend him even knowing of his leanings.
As I said before, I am done with him on this subject because he obviously has nothing new to add - if that is an attack then I guess I am in need of more sensitivity training.