NV 4060 / 4060TI reviews

[igor_kavinski]

Jensen: What do we do this generation?
Marketing: Gamers seem to want more VRAM.
Jensen: Rubbish! 24GB is enough!
Marketing: It's the SKUs below the x90 series.
Jensen: Fine. Give them 4 GB more.
Marketing: 4080 16GB? 4070 Ti 12GB?
Jensen: Yeah sure.
Marketing: 4060 16GB?
Jensen: What??? We are not giving away free VRAM! 4060 8GB. Your stupid 3060 12GB idea embarrassed the 3060 Ti last gen.
Marketing: (silence)
Jensen: I have a brilliant idea! Put 16GB on the 4060 Ti and sell it for $500. Punish those who are too cheap for that by limiting them to 8 GB.
Marketing: Yes, Sir!
Jensen: And make something up to make it look like we offer the most FPS.
Engineers/Researchers: Yes, Sir!
Jensen: Good. Now don't disturb me for the entire next year. I hate coming out of my S&M dungeon.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

So many ill-informed people bought 3050's over much better 6600's. Just like many other bought 1050 Ti's over RX 580's.

Worst was when the GTX 960 and R9 290 were the same price and people were buying crap 960s.

 

[gdansk]

Naming is what the recent argument was about though.



8GB would be fine for a lower end card if the price was lower.

Hmm, yeah that's why I hadn't replied to any of that.

And I have said that before at a low enough price it'd be OK. But Nvidia would hate themselves for setting a more recent precedent of a very low price xx60 card.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Son just bought a 4060, for all the hate it's still the best card at it's price - 3060ti's and 3070's are significantly more expensive, 3060 is barely cheaper. It's small and lower power so he was thinking he'd need to upgrade his PSU but he doesn't for a 4060. It has all the latest features. It's gonna be very popular so games will be made to run well on it like they were for the 1060 it's replacing because of it's popularity.

The only real AMD option is the 6700xt and that was significantly more expensive, has a much higher power usage (so new psu), lacks features, and isn't Nvidia. Not really an option.

There is so much rage on this thread about what it's not got, but the 4060 is still the obvious choice for people at that price. There really isn't a better option.

Not sure if srs. Isn't Nvidia so not really an option? What has Nvidia ever done to earn such a ridiculous level of brand loyalty from you? That would be a horrible statement even if Nvidia was making great cards like the 1060 and 1070 were for their time right now much less when their gamer cards have planned obsolescence built in via the stingy VRAM buffers.

 

[Thunder 57]

This is not a point that I didn't address. As I said before, this is just extreme nerd minutia.

Hardly anyone cares about names in the first place, but basing your argument against card naming, on the name of the chip inside, is just another even extra level of ridiculousness. I'd bet less than one GPU owner in a thousand knows the name of the chip inside their GPU card, let alone cares about it.

Give the 4000 series cards, name changes and 30% price cut, and people would cheer wildly.

Give the 4000 series cards only a 30% price cut, and people would still cheer just as wildly.

Give the 4000 series cards, only name changes, and people would NOT cheer at all.

It's the price that matters, not the name, except to a VERY tiny minority.

You are so wrong. It is all over the internet that 8GB is a limitation, and that Nvidia screwed around with the names. Why else do you think they "unlaunched: the 4080 12GB? All you are is a mouthpiece for Nvidia at this point.

 

[Jaskalas]

What has Nvidia ever done to earn such a ridiculous level of brand loyalty from you?

G-Sync exclusive displays are a thing.
I had one from 2017 until September 2022.

NVIDIA was the only option until I got a modern display where both VRR techs are available.

 

[aigomorla]

Worst was when the GTX 960 and R9 290 were the same price and people were buying crap 960s.

The 970 wasn't even a true 4gb card.
So i call that the worst card.

It was like 3.5gb, and nvidia went though hell trying to defend themselves insisting its 4gb and .5gb was some form of buffer the card used yet we never saw.

8GB would be fine for a lower end card if the price was lower.

Only if were talking a significant price reduction.
But knowing nvidia they would SLAP a TI/SUPER/UBER/GODLIKE(wait thats MSI) tag at the end and try to keep prices at miners prices.

And yes i call this stupid insane price hike, a miners tax, when no miners are left gpu mining, so us gamers are still left paying this stupid tax.

And Nvidia is wondering why none of there cards are selling these days....

But lets be real here... 8GB cards are worthless as we scale up to AAA title games.
Every game so far thats AAA title has shown how important VRAM is.

8GB cards are only good to mine ETH on when it was profitable.

 

[Jaskalas]

But lets be real here... 8GB cards are worthless as we scale up to AAA title games.

If we got nothing else, they make fine entry level cards. They just need the price to match.
*cough 4050 4060 *cough

 

[VirtualLarry]

If we got nothing else, they make fine entry level cards. They just need the price to match.
*cough 4050 4060 *cough

Are there AAA titles out there today, that won't play on a 6GB GTX 1660 ti on, say, 1080P Med. textures? Or are we upping our everyday standards to require 1080P Ultra now, just because that's the way the benchmarks are run?

 

[aigomorla]

Are there AAA titles out there today, that won't play on a 6GB GTX 1660 ti on, say, 1080P Med. textures? Or are we upping our everyday standards to require 1080P Ultra now, just because that's the way the benchmarks are run?

1440p is minimum these days.

If your still stuck on 1080p, i assume you have no HDR, and no Gsync/FreeSync.
Then i ask the question... why are you on a PC and not a Console?

Consoles are so much better when it comes to low end gaming, then a low end PC anyway you look at it.
And even then Consoles have more then 6GB of shared Ram.

Infact modern consoles have 16GB of shared RAM, and that itself should tell you enough.

 

[Dribble]

Not sure if srs. Isn't Nvidia so not really an option? What has Nvidia ever done to earn such a ridiculous level of brand loyalty from you? That would be a horrible statement even if Nvidia was making great cards like the 1060 and 1070 were for their time right now much less when their gamer cards have planned obsolescence built in via the stingy VRAM buffers.

lol, I have no brand loyalty. It's funny that - when you are spending your own money not trying to convince someone else to spend theirs you quickly lose all interest in fanboy biases.

 

[jpiniero]

Why else do you think they "unlaunched: the 4080 12GB?

Because nVidia thought N31 was going to be faster & more expensive.

 

[dlerious]

Are there AAA titles out there today, that won't play on a 6GB GTX 1660 ti on, say, 1080P Med. textures? Or are we upping our everyday standards to require 1080P Ultra now, just because that's the way the benchmarks are run?

I don't have the games or GPU to check, but I see Hogwarts and Last of Us mentioned

 

[dlerious]

1440p is minimum these days.

If your still stuck on 1080p, i assume you have no HDR, and no Gsync/FreeSync.
Then i ask the question... why are you on a PC and not a Console?

Competitive esports players appear to be 1080p - the higher the refresh the better.

 

[Heartbreaker]

But lets be real here... 8GB cards are worthless as we scale up to AAA title games.
Every game so far thats AAA title has shown how important VRAM is.

I'm sure both AMD and NVidia would be ecstatic, if they could convince gamers of that.

~80% GPUs in the Steam Survey are 8GB or less. That's one massive upgrade cycle in waiting.

 

[Heartbreaker]

All you are is a mouthpiece for Nvidia at this point.

Because I think pricing is more important than naming?

I'm not siding with NVidia, I'm siding with Shakespeare: "What's in a name? That which we call a rose, By any other name would smell as sweet"

Or in this case, a turd would smell as bad.

Some people obsess way too much over irrelevant things like naming.

 

[DeathReborn]

1440p is minimum these days.

If your still stuck on 1080p, i assume you have no HDR, and no Gsync/FreeSync.
Then i ask the question... why are you on a PC and not a Console?

Consoles are so much better when it comes to low end gaming, then a low end PC anyway you look at it.
And even then Consoles have more then 6GB of shared Ram.

Infact modern consoles have 16GB of shared RAM, and that itself should tell you enough.

Seriously? That is an incredibly out of touch (PCMR) point of view. 1080p is heavily used in gaming as @dlerious said, esports is one, budget gamers also use 1080p as do a lot of laptop gamers. Looking at reviews, 8GB cards should cost no more than $230 (opinion at 1st July 23) & quite a few reviewers calling the 4060 a 1440p card need to touch grass because their minds are gone.

Xbox Series S has 10GB of shared RAM to target 1440p, with a max of 8GB of VRAM out of that. If PC ports of console games had a Series S/X quality setting then 8GB should be fine on the PC for 1440 let alone 1080. Does 8GB suck, yes but it's not 4 horsemen bad like some seem to get stuck on.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Xbox Series S has 10GB of shared RAM to target 1440p, with a max of 8GB of VRAM out of that. If PC ports of console games had a Series S/X quality setting then 8GB should be fine on the PC for 1440 let alone 1080. Does 8GB suck, yes but it's not 4 horsemen bad like some seem to get stuck on.

Shared RAM between CPU/GPU is faster since it avoids duplication and transfer of data between the two. To prevent data copying happening on a dGPU, we ideally want 12GB or more VRAM.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

lol, I have no brand loyalty. It's funny that - when you are spending your own money not trying to convince someone else to spend theirs you quickly lose all interest in fanboy biases.

You literally complained the 6700 XT isn't Nvidia. Where are you at? Because in the US the 6700 XT can often be found for like $10 to $20 more than the 4060.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

The 970 wasn't even a true 4gb card.
So i call that the worst card.

I had a GTX 970 and I was mad as hell to find out it was really a 3.5GB card and would have 100% bought an R9 290x had Nvidia not lied about the specs, but it was actually a pretty awesome card for me until it died on me after about five years of usage. After the $30 settlement I felt like I got my money's worth at $310. It was like a 780 Ti for $330, so I disagree that the 970 was a bad card. If you bought in 2014 it was a con and made me never trust anything Nvidia ever said again, but it still performed excellently for me. Whereas the GTX 960 was just a GTX 760 for the same price but with lower power consumption.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Are there AAA titles out there today, that won't play on a 6GB GTX 1660 ti on, say, 1080P Med. textures? Or are we upping our everyday standards to require 1080P Ultra now, just because that's the way the benchmarks are run?

-Indwed, my 6GB 980ti handled HWL just fine at 1080p with a mix of high and medium settings (30+FPS). Better still 60+FPS using FSR.

Granted it's a 6yo card in a spare PC so I am far more lenient with my expectations but based on some of the commentary here you'd think the thing would just fart and die trying to run HWL.

So to beat a dead horse into dog food, it's the $$$/perf on this new batch of low end cards that's killing them, not inherently the lack of RAM which is still perfectly playable on new AAA games with some slightly tweaked settings.

 

[Thunder 57]

Because I think pricing is more important than naming?

I'm not siding with NVidia, I'm siding with Shakespeare: "What's in a name? That which we call a rose, By any other name would smell as sweet"

Or in this case, a turd would smell as bad.

Some people obsess way too much over irrelevant things like naming.

I've called it overpriced as well. Hell, the entire 4000 lineup is overpriced except maybe the 4090.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Hell, the entire 4000 lineup is overpriced except maybe the 4090.

From what I remember in the earlier days of graphics cards, a new generation would cause the former generation to abruptly lose resale value, sometimes getting reduced to half price. What's happening now is, the newer generation's halo part is getting introduced at a higher price and the older generation's halo part has to co-exist with a slightly lower tier SKU of the latest gen.

You got enough cash to go for the 4080? But wait. The 3090 Ti costs about the same, with more VRAM. What to do??? Most will obviously pick the 4080 and fall into nGreedia's trap of making them upgrade much earlier in future when the lower VRAM starts bottlenecking their FPS. It's infuriating how well nGreedia is able to psychologically manipulate their sheep to do exactly what they want them to do, adding a few more billions to Jensen's coffers.

 

[aigomorla]

That is an incredibly out of touch (PCMR) point of view.

Lately PCMR is getting wrecked with shoddy console ports and buggy 0 day launches.
We are now offically unpaid beta testers for almost every game that comes out.

99% of AAA titles this year had 0 day launches, was a mess in optimization, and game companies seem to not care and keep doing it.

If your that budget orientated, yes i am for consoles. Because, although they too experience 0 day nightmare mess, its not as bad as Console ports being brought to PC.

Dont get me wrong.... i will always be a PC Gamer, but when your at that very low end of budget PC gaming, its not the same as it used to be 10yrs ago.

10yrs ago... 700 series Geforce launched along with the R9 290.
The gap between budget and full boat PCMR was 760 vs 780SLI with the R9 290 Xfire being there as well.
The price variance between the great if you went SLI / Xfire, but the performance gap was not a football length between it.

We now have that football gap between budget and high end, and consoles are not doing that bad of a job trying to keep middle ground somewhere for a complete package minus the TV for something which will cost you less then a budget PC build.

If you have the budget, hell i'll push you way into PCMR, im on that boat.
But if your limited on budget, i will not let you torcher yourself playing the game with all options off, in low settings, on a tiny screen at 1080p, when you can do way better then that on a TV with a console.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I have a prediction. If the 4060 doesn't sell all that well, nGreedia may release a 12GB version, to make it attractive at the $299 price point. That would be worth a bite.

4060 8GB may then fall down to $249.