NV 4060 / 4060TI reviews

[DAPUNISHER]

I think the issue they aren't on the market yet is that those original miners scammed people who wanted to get into crypto around the end of the mining boom and suckered them into buying their rigs. And now those basically defrauded headless chickens are HODLing onto their cards hoping their investment will pay off one day.

I don't buy the sunk cost fallacy. The longer they hold those cards the less they are worth. While there are probably some this dumb, it would not account for the lack of "the flood".

 

[Jaskalas]

Then good luck waiting, because no one knows when N32 will be released.

If there is no competition, I would consider the RTX 50 series.
I was serious when I said I would wait.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Maybe those cards aren't missing and maybe nVidia bought up the mining cards and maybe nVidia is keeping prices high so people flock to their cloud based GPU service.

Good theory. If they bought up the cards, they might already have been stripped for parts, if they haven't sold them to some partners in some faraway country already. They can't hide stashes like that. But then, I have no idea how the investors are making sure that those in charge are staying honest. Audits? They are usually a joke.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Maybe those cards aren't missing and maybe nVidia bought up the mining cards and maybe nVidia is keeping prices high so people flock to their cloud based GPU service.

Who knows for sure. Both AMD and Nvidia have been restricting the flow of the RDNA 2 and 30 series cards for the last couple of years. Where all those mining cards are and why the secondary market has not been flooded is a mystery.

 

[jpiniero]

If there is no competition, I would consider the RTX 50 series.
I was serious when I said I would wait.

N21 (while it lasts) is the competition. But it won't last forever.

 

[Mopetar]

I have to say... Both AMD and NVIDIA set the bar really low. There's definitely room for Intel's next gen offerings.

I suspect that both AMD and NVidia are waiting for Intel to do what it normally does and give up on anything outside of their core competency. Though these days that doesn't appear to be much, it's a bad time for them to try to break into a new market with many investors just looking to hold on to what they have and wanting to cut expenses.

 

[MrTeal]

The market has seen a bunch of cheap Ampere cards, I don't think they're going to drop any more. There's been 3060 Ti's list up on reddit in Canada for the equivalent of $275ish that claim to have not been mined on, and some mining cards being firesaled like a pair of Dell 3060 Tis selling for $425.
It's not going to be like late 2017/early 2018 when I was getting $100 after fees selling 290's on eBay.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I think miners are holding onto a lot more cards than people realize especially the large scale ones, believing there will be a new cryptocurrency that will utilize them or possibly repurposing them (probably for some AI related - I think there were reports that Tesla is buying up cards for that use for instance).

 

[igor_kavinski]

Nvidia KNOWS how many chip kits (as someone here mentioned that's what they sell to AIBs) they shipped. And they can probably tell how many are being used for games thanks to their spyware Geforce Experience. That's why they don't feel threatened by the flood and brazenly trying to milk their fans. My estimate would be, almost 60% ended up in the hands of miners, with maybe 10% sold back to the gaming community in refurbished form.

 

[MrTeal]

Listings are starting to pop up in Canada at Best Buy

FE is at $550 same as the 3060 Ti FE was, which is pretty close to US MSRP (US$408 today according to Google). The only AIB listed is a $600 Zotac.
Up here it's immediate price and performance comparison is the 6750 XT with a few models in the $540-550 range and the 6700 XT as low as $490 below it, and an RX 6800 above for $610. On the Nvidia side there's really no competition. 3070s are still in stock but start at $640.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

NGL I dig that Spiderman card. But 8GB for $400+ is DOA. While overall sales are evidently extremely low, it does seem like the 4070 has pushed more that are shopping, to buy the 4070ti. Perhaps that's the strategy here; use the 8GB model to upsell gamers on the 16GB.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Perhaps that's the strategy here; use the 8GB model to upsell gamers on the 16GB.

Yeah. They will think, only $100 to double the VRAM? Why not!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Yeah. They will think, only $100 to double the VRAM? Why not!

And vram has hit meme status, so it is a feature even the most casual gamer has likely been exposed to. PCMR is huge sub, it would be impossible to avoid for anyone that goes there. And based on questions there, absolute n00bs comprise a significant percentage of membership.

 

[igor_kavinski]

And vram has hit meme status, so it is a feature even the most casual gamer has likely been exposed to.

I have to begrudgingly say, Jensen is an evil genius. If the n00bs really go for the extra VRAM, this could be their best selling card yet.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I have to begrudgingly say, Jensen is an evil genius. If the n00bs really go for the extra VRAM, this could be their best selling card yet.

Given economic conditions, I don't think any card can be best selling yet.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Bandwagoning the "flood" subconversation: it might have happened, just not the way we wanted it to.

During the pandemic card prices were so high for so long with so much focus (unlike past crypto booms, people were left with fewer alternatives to turn to so they could wait things out) that the entire market perception shifted on "what is a good deal".

When I was shopping used last year there were *a lot* of cards on ebay. Like honestly pages and pages and pages of 3xxx series NV with tons of "10+ card" listings etc and even a solid chunk of AMD cards and I was betting on everything with auctio a regularly having 20-30 bids each.

Thing is sellers who bought high didn't want to sell low, and buyers who had been locked out by astronomical prices jumped on any opportunity to get a reasonably priced card, even if "reasonable pricing" meant equal to or more of a cards launch MSRP.

3060's recently overtook 1060's on Steam's charts, and NV cards absolutely dominate the Steam charts top to bottom (I know I know let's assume Steam Charts are a good representation of the market). 3xxx series card have sold in droves, and eBay listings for these cards are definitely way down from their peak last fall.

The Flood happened, but old timers like us just had wildly different perceptions of what that was actually going to look like, thinking we'd be getting $300 3090's and stuff.

 

[Aapje]

I think the issue they aren't on the market yet is that those original miners scammed people who wanted to get into crypto around the end of the mining boom and suckered them into buying their rigs. And now those basically defrauded headless chickens are HODLing onto their cards hoping their investment will pay off one day.

It's the opposite. The miners panicked and sold off their cards for dumpster fire prices, only see the card prices blow up again when Ethereum had the second (bigger) boom. So they were kicking themselves and a lot of them learned the lesson to never sell their cards.

I actually think that the lack of a flood is a combination of this, but also a lot of latent demand due to covid where people were unable to buy cards for decent prices, so a lot of them bought cards second hand.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

3060's recently overtook 1060's on Steam's charts,

It didn't. The survey was just more nerfed than usual. Check now and the 1650 is back on top where it was before that huge SNAFU.

 

[VirtualLarry]

and the 1650 is back on top where it was before that huge SNAFU.

GTX 1650, the card that will never die! (in popularity)

Edit: I did my part, built plenty of "gaming PCs" with GTX 1650 cards, back when they were reasonably-priced @ $130-170.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I have to begrudgingly say, Jensen is an evil genius. If the n00bs really go for the extra VRAM, this could be their best selling card yet.

I mean I'd pay $500 for a 4060 Ti 16GB before I'd blow $400 on a 4060Ti 8GB. Though would probably rather give myself a Brazilian with duct tape before buying either. But if I had to buy one.

 

[Thunder 57]

I mean I'd pay $500 for a 4060 Ti 16GB before I'd blow $400 on a 4060Ti 8GB. Though would probably rather give myself a Brazilian with duct tape before buying either. But if I had to buy one.

Well if you are going to play that game why not %100 more for a 4070? Guaranteed more performance. Probably enough VRAM.

Like we keep joking, "The more you buy, the more you save!".

 

[jpiniero]

Newegg has some Gigabyte 4060 Tis... they are going to have one card at MSRP but the rest go up from there. The highest one is $469.

 

[Mopetar]

Well if you are going to play that game why not %100 more for a 4070? Guaranteed more performance. Probably enough VRAM.

Like we keep joking, "The more you buy, the more you save!".

May as well just cut to the chase and get a 4090. Quick, before they release a 4090 Ti!

 

[psolord]

By the way, we have AMD and Intel cards available that can play like 99% of current DX12 games just fine with no or minor problems. If Nvidia's practices seem unfair to you, drive the stake straight into their hearts and buy the alternatives. Nothing will change until YOU send the message to Nvidia with YOUR dollars.

I agree with you my friend Igor, that's why I bought my 4070ti with EUROS! xD

 

[Aapje]

Newegg has some Gigabyte 4060 Tis... they are going to have one card at MSRP but the rest go up from there. The highest one is $469.

The prices will start dropping soon enough.