I think if this had been the base 4060 or even 4050ti at $299 it would have received a much warmer welcome.No, the cards aren't bad. The cards are priced too high. Seems to me the 4090 is the only appropriately priced card in the lineup. The rest need to be trimmed down in price. However, easy to say that when I don't know what they need to be priced at to maintain margins that will continue to pay the way for future generations. <shrug>
There is no GDDR7, who knows when It will be released and 10GB Vram is pretty worthless.I think going a half-step up in memory bandwidth to 160 bit and adding 10GB of GDDR7 is what the 4060 Super will look like. I imagine the price would stay constant at $399. Maybe they'll discount the 4060 16GB to $399 to clear the chips out they couldn't sell and because the glut of RAM (or at least capacity to produce RAM because of shutting down production due to the glut) in the market would make it relatively cheap to do so.
What else are you going to buy?LOLOLOLOL
Barely faster than 3060ti at 1080p, can't even reliably match 3070, loses ground as resolution goes up becoming slower than 3060ti in newest games due to cut down memory bus, same pathetic 8GB frame buffer. But... but... but... look at the effective framerate, and the effective memory bus bandwidth, and av1... LOL This is Turing 2.0 all over again.
By now it should be completely obvious even to the most oblivious that nvidia upshifted card naming/pricing from what they're supposed to be.
4060ti is really a 50ti series class
4070 is a 60 series class
4070ti is 60ti series class
4080 is 4070 series class
However, at this point nvidia fanboys are functionally equivalent to flat earthers. All the evidence is staring them straight in the face, and yet, they refuse to see it. The folks at r/nvidia will make a lot of noise, but they will just go out and buy the new cards.
As I said before, for any nvidia fans, their best hope is that 50xx series will return to sanity.
At least in US and Russia I see the same price delta between them, i.e. 6800XT is cheaper.What else are you going to buy?
In most of the world a 6800xt costs almost the same as 4070 so you'd just buy a 4070,
Yeah and other marketing bla bla bla...and 6800xt is a last gen card, higher power, missing features, etc.
...nothing?What else are you going to buy?
JFC I expected the 128 bit bus to kill this at 1440p but at 1080p in console ports designed for strictly current gen consoles is way worse than I was expecting. ROFL this is another GTX 960 level of fail.Brutal.
The 3060 is a better experience than the 4060Ti with the latest version of TLOU at 1080p. It only gets worse at 1440p where the 3060 can manage a 30+ fps experience and the 8GB cards simply cannot.
Sure you can drop down to High settings but why when you don't need to on a cheaper, older card or on the 6700XT which is also cheaper.
Same in Hogwarts.
7600 at $269 is probably only just about okay until the $299 4060 launches in July where it will need a price drop.
At least the 7600 will be faster than the 6600 across the board.
JFC I expected the 128 bit bus to kill this at 1440p but at 1080p in console ports designed for strictly current gen consoles is way worse than I was expecting. ROFL this is another GTX 960 level of fail.
Which is immediately followed by Huang Scaling: as transistors get smaller, Nvidia's margins stays constant.You're seeing Moore's Law is Dead in action basically.
I can only speak for US pricing. Yeah, you can say that technically 4060ti/8GB is best card for $400, but it's still DOA because 6700XT is practically just as good while being good deal cheaper and if and when 4060ti/16 makes it to market at $500 6800XT is a much faster card at the same price point. 4060ti/8GB exists in a no mans land, it's a very poor product in general with only 8GB VRAM and it's atrociously priced too.What else are you going to buy?
In most of the world a 6800xt costs almost the same as 4070 so you'd just buy a 4070, and 6800xt is a last gen card, higher power, missing features, etc.
Bottom line is at $400 the at that price it is still the best choice - that's why half the reviews recommend it. That's down to AMD as much as Nvidia as they aren't interested in a price war so both are pricing equally high.
The other half of the reviews hate it because in comparison to previous gens it's terrible value, but we aren't living in the past, we have what we have today, and sad as it seems this is as good as it gets.
Please show us evidence of the profit on each 4060TI. I'd like to see these "razor thin margins" that poor, poor NV has to endure.
Nah, what you're seeing is a company with a monopoly in the GPU market trying to maintain miner margins despite mining being dead.
Exactly like Intel giving us 4 cores on 14nm++++++ for seven years.
I'm not joking when I say AMD could easily pull out of the dGPU business if things don't improve.
Wait until people test with VRAM intensive titles in PCIe 3.0 systems.Spoiler: It probably doesn't matter since the performance isn't there to need more bandwidth.
And those people were right, because Ada has a huge generational increase per mm2 of die space. Nvidia just chose to give way less die space to every card except the 4090, which is exactly why that's the only card which has a huge jump in price/performance and performance in general.I still remember that many people were expecting ADA Lovelace to brink higher generational increases over the Ampere line simple because Ampere were made with the crap 8nm Samsung process and now ADA was going to be on the cutting edge 4nm at TSMC.
Huh? Why would they? This is great for AMD. nvidia being the market leader gets to set the price and they set it so high that AMD doesn't even have to try that hard as even the most lackluster products will fetch good margins thanks to sky high nvidia prices.I'm not joking when I say AMD could easily pull out of the dGPU business if things don't improve.
Honestly, after seeing 8GB review, 16GB is even worse value proposition. When not limited by VRAM 4600ti is 25-30% slower than 6800XT. So on one hand you could buy 4060ti/16GB for $500, or you could buy 6800XT for $530 and enjoy 25% uplift in performance. I wonder if RDNA2 cards will go up in price after this atrocious release.Hopefully gamers say not thanks to the 16GB upsell. Because that's all this GPU is good for, pushing loyal customers toward the more expensive model.
If I hadn't bought a 6700 XT six months ago all these releases this year would have done is push me towards buying an XBox Series X.Hopefully gamers say not thanks to the 16GB upsell. Because that's all this GPU is good for, pushing loyal customers toward the more expensive model.
Huh? Why would they? This is great for AMD. nvidia being the market leader gets to set the price and they set it so high that AMD doesn't even have to try that hard as even the most lackluster products will fetch good margins thanks to sky high nvidia prices.
Yeah, I absolutely agree. GPU gains have been so lackluster, and will likely to continue to be lackluster, that it's convinced me even more so that console gaming is the right choice moving forward, even if console games are more expensive than their PC/Steam counterparts. I suspect by the time the RTX 5060 Ti comes out with 16 GB of VRAM at $499 that has the performance of an RTX 3080, the PS5 Pro and Xbox Series X Pro will be out with 50%+ performance for the same price.If I hadn't bought a 6700 XT six months ago all these releases this year would have done is push me towards buying an XBox Series X.