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Secretly: Nvidia NV20


Seven times faster than Geforce 2 Ultra


Performance data of the new Nvidia chip NV20 document the performance before branch of the kalifonischen chip chipschmiede in the diagram market.


23. November 2000

After Nvidia with the Geforce presented the first graphic processor unit (GPU), it is to concern now with the NV20 a programmable GPU, which is faster up to seven times than the bisherhige chip Geforce 2 Ultra.
After ZDNet available confidential firm documents of diagram chip manufacturer Nvidia should be more efficient the NV20 up to seven times, expected for at the beginning of January, than the at present fastest diagram chip Nvidia Geforce 2 Ultra.
Depending upon field of application however the performance varies. With scenes with simple complexity (large three-corner, simple geometry, hardly depth complexity) the NV20 is only twice as fast like the Geforce 2. The performance difference increases, the more complex the 3D-Szenen is (many small triangles, very complex geometry, high depth complexity).





The new Nvidia Grafikchip should be faster up to seven times than the predecessor Geforce 2 Ultra.


The performance of the new diagram chip is to have risen also with the so-called edge smoothing procedure (anti- Aliasing) clearly. Nvidia indicates an increase in output of the NV20 opposite the Geforce 2 Ultra of 300 per cent. A duplication of the performance achieves the new chip with the calculation of geometrical data. According to Nvidia the NV20 over quintillion operations and 100 giga floating-point operations per second per second are to execute to be able.

New architecture

The increase in output achieves Nvidia by an improved Design: Thus the memory interface became completely revised in the comparison to the Geforce 2. The loading of large geometry quantities of data is to now run clearly faster. Besides the NV20 accesses GDR memory with more than 500 megahertz. Also the clock frequency for the diagram chip was increased. From future frequency paste frequenzsteigerungen of the NV20 Nvidia promises itself besides clearly more performance than still with the Geforce 2 Ultra.

Gradual nebula gradations (Layered Fog) ensure
for particularly realistic effects


More realism
Further configuration features like a vollprogramierbaren Vertex instruction set, new pixel Shading procedures for 3D-Texturen and Curved Surfaces in hardware provide according to Nvidia for a never dagewesene representation quality of 3D-Objekten.
The possibility of gradually gradated nebula effects and genuine, reflecting Bump map are to enable the NV20 particularly for the representation of realistic characters as well as natural events.

Result
If in confidential documents prove to be true the specified specifications as well as performance specification, Nvidia of his prominent role in the diagram market might become than fair more. Other companies such as ATI, Matrox or 3Dfx cannot follow the rate of development Nvidias at present.

 

MrNick

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I'm glad that I held onto my V3800 Ultra Deluxe, and didn't buy GeForce. The NV20 should be out in May for about the same price as the GF2 costs now.
 

MrNick

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Quiet DaveB3D! I'm exaggerating a little to get people all happy and excited about it.
 

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Gradual nebula gradations (Layered Fog) ensure for particularly realistic effects

I crapped into my pants! This is *the* effect I've been waiting for since I first saw 3D acceleration in action! No more of that gay Z-fog which clips scenery, but true volumetric fog with *gradual* densities!

Damn, I've gotta buy myself Microsoft Visual Studio so I can begin to study those DX8 SDKs beyond theoretical level

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NV20 is not going to cost as much as GF2U. How is nVidia ever going to make any money out of it if it does? GF2U is purely a PR product with which nVidia can claim the performance crown - it's a hard fact that 95% of gamers in market for a new video card are unwilling or unable to spend $500 for one; thus GF2U is no goldmine. NV20 on the other hand will be the core of a whole line of new nVidia accelerators, company's new bread and butter. If nVidia follows old tradition, a mid-range product with higher-than-average price tag (guessing $350-$400) will appear first.

Dave: What's all this negativity you seem to have for NV20? I haven't seen you say a good word about it. From any point of view, NV20 is going to be a very exciting product: basis for a new line of nVidia-based accelerators, a likely candidate for first true DX8 part to ship plus basis of Xbox graphics chip.

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MrNick

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Nvidia is going to put a lot of power within the reach of aspiring graphics artists. The NV20 will be able to handle a lot of polygons.
 

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jpprod,



<< Dave: What's all this negativity you seem to have for NV20? I haven't seen you say a good word about it. From any point of view, NV20 is going to be a very exciting product: basis for a new line of nVidia-based accelerators, a likely candidate for first true DX8 part to ship plus basis of Xbox graphics chip. >>



Simple, he´s got an inferiority complex. Just too bad that he´s working for 3dfx though, since it seems to make it even worse.
 

DaveB3D

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jpprod. Being that I was told by NVIDIA how much they were expecting it to cost, I think I'd know the price.


It isn't that I'm negative about NV20.. well I am, again because of the price. It just doesn't offer a reasonable DX8 solution and I don't like that. They are too specific on what they need out of games in order to get performance boosts. They designed it for too specific situations, which is a very poor move IMO. Developes aren't going to appareciate it.
 

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When did Nvidia tell you the cost, DaveB3D? Do you know any other details on the NV20? This article was the first real info that I have found on it, do you know more? I noticed that it's been in discussion at the B3D forums..
 

DaveB3D

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Yeah, I know lots of stuff about it. Why do you think I've been talking about it? I don't pull this stuff out of my ass.


Just for reference on the price. 500 was the *expected* price. It is possible it will be lower. They are trying to get it lower. I'm guess it will actually be about $450.
 

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I don't know what you're talking about Dave, but I assume that you have discussed it in some other thread(s), and that you are assuming that I have read those. If that is the case, you stand corrected. And speaking of pulling things out of your ass, how about sharing some of the &quot;lots of stuff&quot; that you know about it. I politely enquired because you seemed to present yourself as in the know, and I was hoping that you would be so kind as to elaborate.
 

DaveB3D

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sigh... we've talked about texture units, loopbacks, T&amp;L, occlusion culling.. all that stuff. I really don't feel like just typing up a bunch of stuff. If you have specific questions I'll answer them as best I can. Some things I can't talk about, others I can.
 

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It's not important. No need to repeat yourself. If you have discussed it elsewhere in this forum/B3D forum, I can look it up myself. 'snip!' Yes, I see. You do indeed work for 3dfx. Cool. So THAT'S why you're a little unenthused about the NV20. It's all snapping into focus now. I am also disappointed about the price of the NV20. I had hoped that it would be produced in different varients, with the NV20 figures given in the ZDNet article representing the middle spot that the GF 2 occupies now. Well, at least I can expect the GF2 Ultra's price to have fallen by the time that the NV20 is released. Though by that time it will be a moot point, as I will have graduated and will be able to buy whatever the hell I please. I hope to see 3dfx contending for the top desktop graphics spot again in the near(est possible) future.
 

DaveB3D

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Yeah. I've worked here a bit under 2 months now.

I think there are some specifics here. There are some interesting HSR threads at B3D. Those would be worth looking into.
 
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