NV30 Details & R300 Rumours

[Gog]

This is from 3dchipset.com.



<< Since some sites are poking out info regarding the NV30, I might as well spill what I know. You might think this is just rumors, but this is straight from Nvidia who held a Seminar to some top end developers. So if these end up being wrong, blame Nvidia as they are the ones who held the seminar. Here is the info:

I caught a couple of NV30 specs for you. First the RAM will be running at 900Mhz. Secondly, they are claiming at this point 200 million polys per second.

Will Nvidia be using the DDR II memory that is on Samsungs product description pages? Will have to wait for that info, but it's apparent that Nvidia is banking on massed produced 900Mhz modules from Samsung. The 200 million polys per second is almost doubled that of the GeForce 4. I believe the GeForce 4 is what? 124? or something around that. Here is some info as well about the R300 from a OpenGL developer:

I've also recently been chatting to one of the persons at ATi. He got his first R300 about 3 and a half weeks ago. He won't give me any performance numbers (yet). He's claiming that based on the performance he's been getting, it's going to destroy everything else that's coming out.

Like I said from an ATi employee that's a given about the performance... ;-) >>



Seems that Nvidia is going with a strong arm approach there, considering the specs on the RAM. I hope they have a gpu thats just as impressive! Interesting bit on the R300 as well.

 

[A5]

Grrrrr. Brute forcing everything isn't going to work forever...hopefully someday there will be a serious card built on efficiency. The Kyro series was a good start, but look where they are now

 

[Pocatello]

Nvidia has always like brute force, but there is some thing else though. Look at the GF4 4200 vs the GF3 500. The GF4 4200 is better even of the core and memory clock isn't higher than the GF3 500. ATi Radeon 8500 retail is clocked even higher than the GF4 4200, but performed not better.

 

[Bluga]

Brute force is good. Look at P4.

 

[Dormant]

<< Brute force is good. Look at P4. >>

LOL! I'm assuming this was a joke

 

[ElFenix]

hmmm... how come everyone is going to blow the competition out of the water?

 

[Chad]

Actually, I remember when the 3dfx line was considered "brute force" and how most people thought that Nvidia had the elegant and effecient design.

 

[spanky]

<< hmmm... how come everyone is going to blow the competition out of the water? >>



whats all this about blowing i'm hearing about?

 

[BFG10K]

First the RAM will be running at 900Mhz

450 MHz DDR. Good grief. :Q

Also it's good to see the comments about the R300 having impressive performance. I really want to see ATi pull at least one rabbit out of the hat on this one. They've put so much effort into getting the Radeon 8500 drivers to a very good state and I'd hate to see them suffer through what they had to endure through the initial Radeon launch and the 8500 launch.

LOL! I'm assuming this was a joke

Why is it a joke? The P4 now enjoys the status as the world's fastest desktop processor and it's mainly due to the fact that it's doing exactly what it was designed to do - ramp up in clock speed.

 

[Czar]

and now lets wait 5 years untill games will start using any of the power of the upcoming cards

 

[HaVoC]

<< and now lets wait 5 years untill games will start using any of the power of the upcoming cards >>

Czar has a good point. It's frustrating to see current games and even upcoming games barely using a fraction of the processing horsepower of these new video cards! I have a GF3 and the best looking graphics can only be seen on 3DMark2001. Most all other games look like glorified versions of Quake 3! (which they usually are: )

I wish developers will start using the power of pixel/vertex shaders and the programmable T&L engines of even GF3 generation video cards. Of course, one of the big problems is there is the lack of an installed base of DX8 compliant video cards. Hopefully Doom3 will live up to expectations.

 

[Nemesis77]

<< and now lets wait 5 years untill games will start using any of the power of the upcoming cards >>



True, but when I upgrade my system at the end of this year, I will propably have one of those uber-cards in my system. And since I have that much power, I will propably start using it as well. 1600x1200x32 with FSAA anyone? Suddenly, I'll notice that I'm running out of power again...

 

[bluemax]

About the only thing we get from these insanely-fast video cards is the ability to run AntiAliasing without slowdowns.

What someone really should do is design a new card from top-to-bottom for AntiAliasing - fast, efficient, pretty.
Imagine gaming where you don't see those ugly creepy-crawlies.....

No, 1600x1200 is NOT good enough to get rid of them.

Rumour has it the new Matrox card with its 16x AA can run without much performance hit........ If that's so, they get my nod of approval.

 

[Dormant]

<< Why is it a joke? The P4 now enjoys the status as the world's fastest desktop processor and it's mainly due to the fact that it's doing exactly what it was designed to do - ramp up in clock speed. >>



I have some friends who would argue that the wonderful ramp up in speed for the P4 seems kinda useless as they are Socket 423 users. ;(

Having to upgrade your motherboard just to up your clockspeed on a system that is only 3 months old tends to make people angry.

 

[DeathByDuke]

<< Brute force is good. Look at P4. >>



Brute Force IS good. Look at AMD!

You Have THE power!

Use The Force!

 

[mastertech01]

"In the last days, there will be wars and rumours of war"

The video card industry is bringing out the big guns..

Let the games begin

 

[GTaudiophile]

Wow. If all these rumors come true, it should be an even more interesting Fall with Matrox's G1000, nVidia's NV30 (nVidia+3Dfx), and ATi's R300 (ATi + ArtX).

I bet things stay the same, though: hardware that is overkill and inflated prices at launch. nVidia will take the speed crown with ATi and Matrox battling it out on features. G1000 may have the most features, but could be the most expensive, making the ATi's R300 the best overall value, provided the drivers are in order.

 

[Oreo]

There are games that can use all the power you can throw at them. Try Morrowind and Dungeon Siege for example. And as always as soon as you switch on 4x AA the performance drops sharply so I don't think they are too fast yet (or ever will be). But it's true that not many games use any of the advanced features such as vertex/pixel shaders which sucks since it really makes everything alot more realistic.

 

[felixlee]

click here

only 50Fps. Isn't that pushing your newest cpu+video card?

 

[Shagga]

I was deliberately holding off getting a GF4 on the basis that my GF3 seems to be coping admirably with today?s games. I was also waiting to see what ATI delivers in terms of useable features when the R300 is released.

Now, I didn?t realise that Matrox were developing a new card I guess I too thought they had bowed out of the market due to uncompetitive products when 3D speed is concerned. With the pending NDA ending on the 14th May 2002, and the fact that this is happening it was inevitable that nVidia was kind of forced to ramp up the release of the NV30, again to take some of the limelight from Matrox. It?s worked too!

If the specs of any of the cards going to be released soon are true this is going to be fun for sure.

For me, I?m waiting until the NV30 shows its head. By this time both the ATI and Matrox offering should be out. It?s a question of which card will run DOOM3 at 1600 x 1200 x 32 with everything yanked to full.

Perhaps I should consider waiting for the Bitboys offering, I hear it pushes 400 Million Polys per second, can run FSAA at 32x, 64bit colours, 16x Anisotropic filtering DX9 fully compliant and that?s just the MX version!

 

[salman327]

<< Perhaps I should consider waiting for the Bitboys offering, I hear it pushes 400 Million Polys per second, can run FSAA at 32x, 64bit colours, 16x Anisotropic filtering DX9 fully compliant and that?s just the MX version! >>



Wow! When can I get this card?!?! (Obviously sarcasm)

I wish developers would take advantage of the things that are laid out for them. I understand that they have to use the lowest common denominator, but it would be interesting to see a game take advantage of each and ever feature the 4600 has to offer. Can't wait for a new vid card...i'm itching to play morrowind.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

<< Actually, I remember when the 3dfx line was considered "brute force" and how most people thought that Nvidia had the elegant and effecient design. >>


Uh... 3dfx was kinda brute force. What else do you call SLI and dual processor gfx boards?

Also let's not forget the 3dlabs/Creative card. Even if it isn't quite up to par, it's still another competition point.

 

[Nemesis77]

<< For me, I?m waiting until the NV30 shows its head. By this time both the ATI and Matrox offering should be out. It?s a question of which card will run DOOM3 at 1600 x 1200 x 32 with everything yanked to full. >>



I have heard that id demonstrates Doom 3 in E3 using Parhelia . Multimonitor Doom 3 demonstration is also possible.

 

[BD231]

Seems that Nvidia is going with a strong arm approach there, considering the specs on the RAM. I hope they have a gpu thats just as impressive! Interesting bit on the R300 as well.

YWAAAAAAAANNNN........, I'll be impressed when there is a need for such graphical performance. WHAT WE NEED IS CHEAP HIGH END VIDEO CARDS SO THESE DAMN GAME DEVOLOPERS WONT HAVE TO THINK ABOUT MAKING THEIR GAME'S RUN ON A 4MB RAGE 128 VIDEO CARD.

 

[AmdInside]

The Matrox Parhelia-512 was released today in Beijing. It is quite impressive, but quite expensive