NV40 benches (in case u didnt see)

[rbV5]

Well, its clearly faster than anything currently available, sometimes considerably faster at much higher settings. Should be some interesting reading tommorrow.

 

[jasonja]

Originally posted by: vladik007
This HAS to be fake , they POSSIBLY cant suk this badly. Who cares how Quake 3 engine runs , we're still getting good frame rates with fx5700 with tha engine.

Look at Far Cry 1.1 , they just HARDLY even things up with 9800XT , only to run AA one notch higher. This HAS to be fake , i cant see nVIDIA making all this fuss for this marginal bump in the azz.

LOL... must be!! No way would nVidia overhype their product. They're marketing people are saints!

 

[vladik007]

Well yea i know , but i thought thye actually can LEARN something from their mistakes. I thought i'd upgrade my 9800 Pro but if these benchmarks hold up and r420 is comparable , then it's no point in upgrading. Actually with my overclock 460/380 on my 9800 Pro , i have faster card than these next generation cards ?

This is getting downright pathetic. We need 3rd GFX company in the market , seems like nVidia is happy with their crappy shiat and Ati, wel we'll see.....


here's to hoping these are fakes ....

 

[Insomniak]

Looks CPU limited? I dunno, I mean, the average FPS is pretty much the same as the current generation. Who knows.

As for Bias, the only two places I don't trust at all any more are Beyond 3D and Tom's. Tom's is blatantly pro-NV, and B3D is blatantly ATi fanboy. Anand and HardOCP are the only two places I watch consistently.

When Anand's review comes up, then the truth will be revealed, whether this is it or not.

 

[SneakyStuff]

Wait and see

 

[vladik007]

Well i dont know about Beyond3d being PRO Ati , but i'm smart enough to avoid Tom's like a plaque. I think hardOCP is pretty fair as well , but of course anand will get my 1st visit tomorrow.

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: vladik007
Well i dont know about Beyond3d being PRO Ati , but i'm smart enough to avoid Tom's like a plaque. I think hardOCP is pretty fair as well , but of course anand will get my 1st visit tomorrow.

Ever been to their forums? It's an ATi fanboy fest - and that includes a lot of the staff.

 

[SneakyStuff]

Guys relax! this is way too close to all the "hype" and we will know for certain if all this is true by 9:00 AM tommorow when the NDA expires. All this speculation now is a waste of time.

 

[daction]

Originally posted by: saqdeez

Those benchmarks have to be fake,

fanboy

*stares at 9700pro*

Originally posted by: vladik007
This HAS to be fake , they POSSIBLY cant suk this badly. Who cares how Quake 3 engine runs , we're still getting good frame rates with fx5700 with tha engine.

Look at Far Cry 1.1 , they just HARDLY even things up with 9800XT , only to run AA one notch higher. This HAS to be fake , i cant see nVIDIA making all this fuss for this marginal bump in the azz.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: vladik007
Well i dont know about Beyond3d being PRO Ati , but i'm smart enough to avoid Tom's like a plaque. I think hardOCP is pretty fair as well , but of course anand will get my 1st visit tomorrow.

Ever been to their forums? It's an ATi fanboy fest - and that includes a lot of the staff.

so it's not that much different then here, then

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: reever

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
and just wait till the drivers improve

Yeah look what it did to the NV30

Nvidia really needs to retire this comment

You need to retire your broken record ATIdiot attitude Reever.

I just got done playing some UT2004 on a 5800Ultra, which played every bit as well as it would have on a 9700Pro.

The difference between the nV40 and whatever ATi will put out is that it's a whole new core, not just the 18 month old core on thinner silicon.

I can remember ATI performance improving much on the 8500s and the 9700s when they first came out as well. Should ATI retire the comment as well?

Fanboys like you are pretty tiresome.

 

[JBT]

Just take a chill pill guys wait till we see all these cards with identical settings then start throwing stones.

 

[Rudee]

I'm going to predict in advance that ATI is going to win this round, as I find these benches rather disappointing when you factor how many of them are near the performance of the 9800XT.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Rollo


You need to retire your broken record ATIdiot attitude Reever.

I just got done playing some UT2004 on a 5800Ultra, which played every bit as well as it would have on a 9700Pro.

The difference between the nV40 and whatever ATi will put out is that it's a whole new core, not just the 18 month old core on thinner silicon.

I can remember ATI performance improving much on the 8500s and the 9700s when they first came out as well. Should ATI retire the comment as well?

Fanboys like you are pretty tiresome.

Yes the 5800 ultra is great (wait I sound like a broken record). Those who use the word fanboys often are or just flamebaiting.

Lets hope the drivers improve vastly, I was waiting for 2 - 7 x the performance over that ancient core. Am still hoping actually, because the buildup seemed so universal.

 

[CaiNaM]

hey.. some people would prefer to cross the country on a mule ox.

 

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Did anyone mention what kind of processor was being used?

It looks like it may have been a fairly slow one, since many of the new games are running @ low FPS on all the cards. On the other hand, you have CoD running 50% faster @ 1600x1200 than the other cards were @ 1280x1024.

The CoD test shows the card definitely has significantly more power than the current cards, but it would have been a nice confirmation to see FarCry or Unreal @ 1600x1200 to see if FPS dropped off at all. Also, it would have been nice to see those games a 800x600 or 640x480 to see if that made a difference.

To me, it looks like the card can be extremely fast, as long as you have a processor to back it up. Same may be true with the new Radeon. I'm sure the more in-depth reviews will clear that up.

-D'oh!

 

[INGlewood78]

This is the card that everyone is waiting for???....=(...guess ill stick to my 9800...no wonder it doenst cost 500 initially!

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
hey.. some people would prefer to cross the country on a mule ox.

LOL

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
hey.. some people would prefer to cross the country on a mule ox.

Why would you call some of the fasted cards on the shelf that?

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
hey.. some people would prefer to cross the country on a mule ox.

Why would you call some of the fasted cards on the shelf that?

you would've had to have been there

it's funny tho to see all the ati "fans" gripe about the poor perfomance indicated in those charts tho.. and yet that's one of their biggest points as to "why" the ati is so much better - cause you can run aa/af at higher settings, therefore the image quality is so much better....

yet the gripe cause the 9800xt gets xx fps in a game at 1024 with no aa and 8x af, but diss the 6800 cause it gets the same fps while running it at "only" 1 step higher resolution and "only" 4xaa/8xaf..

on the flipside tho, while i didn't expect to see dx8 games double and triple in speed, i do hope to see better results in games like farcry. i'm sure the picture will become clearer once we understand the methodology, and see "apples to apples" comparisons.

 

[ronnn]

Oh, I thought the major gripe was that it did not live up to pre release hype (at least not at this point). Actually I did read that thread, but find the author of that line trolls lots and uses personal insults to make points. Like I just did. I do agree that if the NV40 has better IQ at playable settings then the R420 - that will be a major selling point. But for me to spend the money both companies will be asking - I would like to see more. :beer:

 

[CaiNaM]

actually he doesn't troll at all..

at any rate, yea, i see your point about "wanting more", but it's still early, we don't have any comments so we don't know what shape drivers are in, or what the context of the test were, or what kind of cpu's were being compared.

i would also like to see more, but i'm not going to make too much out of it at this early point.

the other thing to consider also is price. the 9800xt is the more expensive card if the 6800u is indeed $399... lots of unanswered questions yet.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: reever

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
and just wait till the drivers improve

Yeah look what it did to the NV30

Nvidia really needs to retire this comment

You need to retire your broken record ATIdiot attitude Reever.

I just got done playing some UT2004 on a 5800Ultra, which played every bit as well as it would have on a 9700Pro.

The difference between the nV40 and whatever ATi will put out is that it's a whole new core, not just the 18 month old core on thinner silicon.

I can remember ATI performance improving much on the 8500s and the 9700s when they first came out as well. Should ATI retire the comment as well?

Fanboys like you are pretty tiresome.

8500 preview performance was way below what it should have been doing on paper and compared to its competetor, the GeForce 3. The 9700Pro came out of the gates nearly perfect in every way shape and form, totally crushing the Ti 4600 in all areas a top end card should perform well in. If anything drivers and other improvements fixed probelms for the 9500Pro, which was ATI's "quick fix" answer to the cheaper GF4 Ti line.

Everyone seems to be expecting a similar blowout that the 9700Pro enjoyed simply because the introduction of the 9700Pro was the last time we saw a totally new top end GPU. This, however, is absurd, because the 9700Pro brought along fairly revolutionary advances such as 256bit memory architecture and a core designed to run well with excessive eye candy, instead of new GPUs just improving frame rates on same old settings and claiming support for things such as AA and AF but not reasonably "powerful" enough to actually take advantage of such things

If anything we just need to look back and compare. For instance, if we remember the release of the GeForce 3, we'd remember it was initially shunned for barely being faster than the GeForce 2 Ultra. Later we'd find out that the GF3 would actually be faster in almost every instance due to a more efficient if not "faster" core (some people didn't understand how a 200MHz GPU could be "faster" than a 250MHz one...)

 

[ronnn]

prices

I guess we are just fanboys of different forum members.

I do agree that the real question will be, which performs best for your price range. For myself it is what will make me upgrade from a 9700pro. And like many of the nvidia gang - a small difference in IQ won't do, as i pay poor attention to detail while gaming. Far Cry is running well enough that I really enjoy playing it.

 

[TimisoaraKill]

This card is 8X2 pipes , i bet my ass on this ,...it will be exactly like with NV30 , full 8 pipes who turned up to be 4x2 .
The card is not impressive , is just an improvement over 5950 ,... it might be better than 9800XT proly with a 20 % average (if you even the aa/af) but still it lacks some serious IQ .
R420 will smash this card .