NV40 this year??

daction

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Xbitlabs says so according to it's sources. They say NV35 around June with NV40 coming late in the year, which is feasable if Nvidia is back to it's 6 month cycle.
They're not always right but a lot of the time they are, hope this is true. With R350 and R400 expected this year as well the graphics wars are hotter than ever.
 

SexyK

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.... well the graphics wars are hotter than ever ....

har har

Anyway, we'll see what happens, i think its still a little early to be talking about NV40 when NV30 isnt even available yet.
 

daction

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^ Ya but if they can't get performance above the 9700 in all cases, not a lot of people are going to buy it, I say bring on NV35
 

GTaudiophile

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Originally posted by: daction
Xbitlabs says so according to it's sources. They say NV35 around June with NV40 coming late in the year, which is feasable if Nvidia is back to it's 6 month cycle.
They're not always right but a lot of the time they are, hope this is true. With R350 and R400 expected this year as well the graphics wars are hotter than ever.

nVidia fanboys hope and pray!
 

sparks

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It dosen't seem too unlikely considering the fact that the NV30 is only late becasue of manufacturing difficulties. For all we know, the NV35 design is already complete and ready to go because they would have moved onto the NV35 design phase once the NV30 design was completed late last year. Its just that as a business, Nvidia must do everything possible to recoup investment in the NV30. They are probably further along on the NV40 design than people think. Just because they were experiencing production problems dosen't stop the design teams from moving on.
 

LH

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nVidia fanboys hope and pray!

Uh why?

See, NV35 was still being worked on while NV30 was delayed to die problems, problems getting .13.

It would make perfect sense for Nvidia to come out with NV35 at E3, and NV40 at Thanksgiving. The delays of NV30 should NOT have had any impact on the development of NV35.
 

daction

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I take it you dont like ATI?

Why assume that? I just thought his comment sounded very fanboyish if anything, not mine or anyone elses.
I think ATI rocks, they had some driver problems in the past which seem to be all but gone, and they released a KICK@SS product 6 months early basically kicking Nvidia's @$$ this round. I haven't bought one because my Ti500 is doing just fine for the games I play, plus I'm kinda broke right now
 

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Wasn't the NV35 just the supposed spring refresh of the NV30, basically higher clock speed etc to go up against the R350. They've shrunk to 0.13micron and still having probs I dont see how they can increase the clock that much, without attaching a fridge. Although I maybe wrong. However if the NV35 is just a refresh I personally don't think we will ever see it and Nvidia will move straight onto the Nv40 asuming everything is going ok with its design etc.
 

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IMO, nVidia will make the NV40 as a competitor to the R400, and then the NV35 will be a proper NV30, ie, propely finished rarther than rushed. Tweaked drivers/card design/cooler running ect; And will probably be clocked slightly faster as well. This`ll probably be a budget option that`ll be released at around the same time as the NV40.

This is my opinion, so dont take it as hard facts, or as a rumor people!!!
 

ElFenix

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depends on what manufacturing capability they were going to use
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: BoomAM
IMO, nVidia will make the NV40 as a competitor to the R400, and then the NV35 will be a proper NV30, ie, propely finished rarther than rushed. Tweaked drivers/card design/cooler running ect; And will probably be clocked slightly faster as well. This`ll probably be a budget option that`ll be released at around the same time as the NV40.

This is my opinion, so dont take it as hard facts, or as a rumor people!!!

rushed? the nv30 had its design finished months and months ago, its the silicon they couldn't get up due to the fab's difficulties. they've had plenty of time on simulators to tweak the drivers. from anand's review in november of last year
NVIDIA had the design and the features of the GPU ready very early this year indicating that it truly was manufacturing that held them back.
they've had plenty of time to figure it out.
 

Snooper

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Just for the record, the design is NOT finalized until the PROCESS is finalized. They go hand in hand. They might have had A0 taped out, but that really doesn't mean squat. You HAVE to make the parts and find out what parts of the process are not compatible with your current design. Then, you have to choice one of two paths: redesign the part or redesign the process. Usually, there will be some minor modes to the A series (only a few masks changed at criticle steps) and then a major redesign comes out. There will usually (but not always) be a rev or two of this stepping before the part is certified for ship release.

So, they might have been waiting on the process, but they still where waiting at that 80% range, not 100% ready to go. Unless you are in the industry, you really can't comprehend the complexity of a modern IC (and more importantly, the complexity of all steps required to build it!). Heck, most of the people in the industry don't really understand the complexity (because they never bothered to look beyond their own little area).

Personally, I am very disappointed with what I have seen so far with the FX. I do realize that all the tests have been run on beta drivers and I do have an idea how much room the FX has to improve. But I don't think I will be spending any money on the FX. I currently have a very old, long in the tooth GF2 Ultra in my box and I am going to be buying a new card withing the next month or so. I was originally holding out for the FX, but at this point, unless something dramatic happens in the next month, ATI is going to be getting my money for a 9700 Pro.
 

TonyB

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im currently using a GF3 Ti500... i guess i'll upgrade to the NV50.. that is, if NVidia is still alive in two years.
 

Mani

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You know things are just shot to hell for Nvidia when people are laying out hope for it's next-next gen product before it's next-gen product even arrives.

6-month product cycles are going to be all but unsustainable for the graphics industry as the complexity of these cards continues to increase. I highly doubt the NV40 will arrive this year.
 

ViRGE

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The NV40 would be a DX10 part; I can quite assure everyone that DX10 technologies are only a dream in the heads of engineers right now. It'll easily take 1.5-2 years for a DX10 part to come(It took 1.5 years to go from 7 to 8, and another 2 from 8 to 9).
 

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I'm glad that the FX delay was a fluke and NVIDIA is getting back on track. I have no alleigance to either GPU manufacturer. If go with whichever card is faster, or gives a lot better bang for the buck.
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: daction
Xbitlabs says so according to it's sources. They say NV35 around June with NV40 coming late in the year, which is feasable if Nvidia is back to it's 6 month cycle.
They're not always right but a lot of the time they are, hope this is true. With R350 and R400 expected this year as well the graphics wars are hotter than ever.

nVidia fanboys hope and pray!

Hrmm...I'm couldn't call myself a fan of either ATi or nVidia, but I do hope the N35 & N40 cores come out this year....the more the graphics war heats up the lower prices get.
 
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Originally posted by: ViRGE
The NV40 would be a DX10 part; I can quite assure everyone that DX10 technologies are only a dream in the heads of engineers right now. It'll easily take 1.5-2 years for a DX10 part to come(It took 1.5 years to go from 7 to 8, and another 2 from 8 to 9).
Not necessarily. There have been rumblings of a DX9 refresh with PS/VS 3.0 before DX10.

Neither ATi nor nVidia have been known to add new features to their refreshes. In my opinion, a massive speed increase will be the most likely improvement offered by NV40 and R400, with incremental PS/VS 3.0 support.

Article at Beyond3D.
 

ViRGE

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KnightBreed, that's a very good point. However, Nvidia has made semi-major core changes in the past without major version changes. The GeForce 4 went with 2 vertex shaders instead of 1, and it still was only a 3x chip. It's possible a VS3.0 chip would be a 4x series, but without more input from Nvidia, I'd be really suprised if that was the case.
 
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