Nvidia 1st quarter earnings is tomorrow!

poohbear

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So Nidia is reporting may 12th....u guys think they had a stellar 1st quarter like their 4th quarter report? I'm pretty sure the guidance is gonna be pretty kickass with Pascal coming out next month! Stock is near its all time high...so not quite sure if it's overvalued. What are ur takes?
 
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poohbear

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Earnings day is tomorrow! Pascal, Tesla car chips, deals with Google & FB to use Nvidia's GPUs in their software AI, & virtual reality...all these things are gonna give Nvidia solid guidance me thinks. No opinions?
 

poohbear

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Yep. Hindsight is 20/20 but with Activision & EA reporting strong earnings and good guidance, & with Pascal around the corner, it was a sure bet. I went in strong & bought lotsa Nvidia stock this week. it's a modest bump @ 6%, nothing like AMD's 52% in one day, but hey what can u do.
 

RussianSensation

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Record high Gross margin guidance = 57.5% Q1 FY17

Rising costs of 16nm node "forcing" NV to raise prices to accommodate higher costs are all lies. NV keeps raising prices and NOT passing on the cost savings of Moore's Law to consumers. NV raised prices from $200 6600GT to $250 560Ti to $500 680 to $550 980 to $600-700 1080 while wafer costs have not increased 3.5X.

NV's loyal customer base keeps buying so NV does the most logical thing a company would -- keep raising prices more. Will be interesting to see just how high NV can keep raising prices with Volta and beyond. $699 for 1080 could foreshadow $799-999 1080Ti and Titan Pascal going up to $1300-1500. If NV prices Pascal Titan at $1299 and cut-down 1080Ti is $899, it would seem like a great deal against the Pascal Titan and against $699 1080.
 
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Record high Gross margin guidance = 57.5% Q1 FY17

Rising costs of 16nm node "forcing" NV to raise prices to accommodate higher costs are all lies. NV keeps raising prices and NOT passing on the cost savings of Moore's Law to consumers.

NV's loyal customer base keeps buying. Will be interesting to see just how high NV can keep raising prices with Volta and beyond. $699 for 1080 could foreshadow $799-999 1080Ti and Titan Pascal going up to $1300-1500.

Sounds like sour grapes to me

This is a really nice quarter for NVIDIA and the guidance is awesome. They are delivering value to their shareholders -- what they are paid to do.
 
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RussianSensation

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Sounds like sour grapes to me.

Why? I have $ to afford even 1080 Quad but I won't out of principle (even if Quad-SLI was supported on them technically). Reference 970 went up from $329 to $449 1080 or a $120 price hike. If the competitor does the same, I'll withhold my $ and spend it on other hobbies.

This is a really nice quarter for NVIDIA and the guidance is awesome. They are delivering value to their shareholders -- what they are paid to do.

Yes and VC&G is a consumer forum, not an investor or shareholder forum. So if prices go up and margins go up, it's worse for consumers. It's as simple as it gets but you think it's somehow good for us that prices keep going up because NV rewards its shareholders?
 
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ShintaiDK

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More price rants? :\

We get it, people and companies should work pro bono. Move on.
 

DooKey

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Why? I have $ to afford even 1080 Quad but I won't out of principle (even if Quad-SLI was supported on them technically). Reference 970 went up from $329 to $449 1080 or a $120 price hike. If the competitor does the same, I'll withhold my $ and spend it on other hobbies.

That's the exact right thing to do. It's your money and your choice.
 

sontin

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There was no reference GTX970. There were just a MSRP. So with the GTX1070 nVidia introduced a reference modell which will be sold over the whole time.

So the MSRP went up from $329 to $379.
 
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Why? I have $ to afford even 1080 Quad but I won't out of principle (even if Quad-SLI was supported on them technically). Reference 970 went up from $329 to $449 1080 or a $120 price hike. If the competitor does the same, I'll withhold my $ and spend it on other hobbies.

That's 100% your prerogative.

Yes and VC&G is a consumer forum, not an investor or shareholder forum. So if prices go up and margins go up, it's worse for consumers. It's as sample as it gets but you don't seem to get it.

Prices aren't really going up, though. Pretty much every generation lets you get performance that cost X dollars for kX dollars, where k < 1. Once 1070 is on the market, GTX 980 Ti performance will be accessible for $379 (if you want a cheap-o aftermarket cooler) or $449 if you want the NVIDIA design.

$650 -> $449 for the same level of performance & more VRAM sounds like a win to me. But because you are so myopically looking at SKU to SKU rather than "what can gamers get for a particular price point," you think NVIDIA is ripping customers off.

The reason NVIDIA is doing so spectacularly well is that with each generation, performance/$ continues to go up.
 

sontin

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And the price went down, actually. The GTX670 was introduced for $399. So the GTX1070 is cheaper than a similiar product launch 4 years ago.
 

DooKey

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And the price went down, actually. The GTX670 was introduced for $399. So the GTX1070 is cheaper than a similiar product launch 4 years ago.

Come on now. You need to cherry pick the highest MSRP.
 

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And the price went down, actually. The GTX670 was introduced for $399. So the GTX1070 is cheaper than a similiar product launch 4 years ago.

while comparing models across is sort of pointless since you can fudge it how you like (we could call the 670 the second from top single gpu card in their 600 serues lineup which would make it comparable to a 1080 or even 1080Ti if they run another titan card in the 1000 series), if profit margins are going up they are either charging more or not sharing in new found savings. Which I suppose is good if your a shareholder and not so good if your a consumer.
 

DooKey

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while comparing models across is sort of pointless since you can fudge it how you like (we could call the 670 the second from top single gpu card in their 600 serues lineup which would make it comparable to a 1080 or even 1080Ti if they run another titan card in the 1000 series), if profit margins are going up they are either charging more or not sharing in new found savings. Which I suppose is good if your a shareholder and not so good if your a consumer.

If you don't like the margins then don't buy. Sooner or later this will affect the market. If it doesn't then obviously you are in the minority and you don't matter.
 

poohbear

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They can raise their prices because there really is no competition!(same thing happened with Intel CPUs ever since AMD's Bulldozer debacle) Let's see what AMD brings to the table with Polaris. I remember back in the day Nvidia and AMD used to have price wars, i haven't seen a price war in years between them.

Also, did anyone notice that nearly half their earnings are NOT from GPUs? GPUs still comprise the majority of their sales, but they've really diversified and protected themselves from the declining PC market. Albeit PC gaming isn't declining (its on the rise actually), but kudos to them for covering their as$ in case things went sideways.

Gaming 687mil

BUT:
Professional Visualization, 189mil
Datacenter 143 mil
Automotive 113mil
OEM & IP 173mil
(618mil Non gaming revenue!)

Pretty slick on their part!
 

exar333

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They can raise their prices because there really is no competition!(same thing happened with Intel CPUs ever since AMD's Bulldozer debacle) Let's see what AMD brings to the table with Polaris. I remember back in the day Nvidia and AMD used to have price wars, i haven't seen a price war in years between them.

Also, did anyone notice that nearly half their earnings are NOT from GPUs? GPUs still comprise the majority of their sales, but they've really diversified and protected themselves from the declining PC market. Albeit PC gaming isn't declining (its on the rise actually), but kudos to them for covering their as$ in case things went sideways.

Gaming 687mil

BUT:
Professional Visualization, 189mil
Datacenter 143 mil
Automotive 113mil
OEM & IP 173mil
(618mil Non gaming revenue!)

Pretty slick on their part!

Except they didn't?
 

showb1z

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It's heartwarming to see people being so giddy about helping JHH buy another Ferrari and matching leather jacket.
 

Timmah!

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Sounds like sour grapes to me

This is a really nice quarter for NVIDIA and the guidance is awesome. They are delivering value to their shareholders -- what they are paid to do.

Cant be more happy for Nvidia. Why would i want the 1080 say 100 EUROs cheaper, when the "guidance is awesome" and shareholders are satisfied...
 

ShintaiDK

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Cant be more happy for Nvidia. Why would i want the 1080 say 100 EUROs cheaper, when the "guidance is awesome" and shareholders are satisfied...

Remember the total cost and what part the GPU silicon is of that. Removing 100&#8364; and add it all on Nvidias expense would be quite dramatically.

Nvidia earns a lot because while volume is shrinking, the buyers move up the tiers. If you look on Steam, GTX970 have outsold GTX960 for example by a large margin. And more than GTX750+GTX750TI combined.

The GTX980TI pretty much sold the same as the GTX980 as well.
 

poohbear

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It's heartwarming to see people being so giddy about helping JHH buy another Ferrari and matching leather jacket.

If u had stock in Nvidia, ud be giddy too. They should another jump 3%-5% when the market opens today for a total of 7%-12% jump. Their CEO deserves it. The company is doing awesome & making many advances in technology. Again, nearly 50% of their earnings are NOT from gaming! This is a company that's innovating & expanding.
 

showb1z

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The reason NVIDIA is doing so spectacularly well is that with each generation, performance/$ continues to go up.

GTX980Ti $500 AR and no doubt going down.
GTX1080 $699

60% more expensive for 25% more performance.
Hell even at "MSRP" it's 40% vs 25%.


40% more expensive for 25% more performance.
Hell even at "MSRP" it's 20% vs 25%.
Weak.

Yeah, only stockholders could be happy about that.
 
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railven

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GTX980Ti $500 AR and no doubt going down.
GTX1080 $699

60% more expensive for 25% more performance.
Hell even at "MSRP" it's 40% vs 25%.

Yeah, only stockholders could be happy about that.

Someone want to explain this math post to me, cuz I don't get it.

Assuming he used $500 AR for the 980 Ti and $600 (MSRP) for the 1080
600/500 == 20% more.

So 20% more for 25% performance gain, that seems fair to me, and I don't even own NV stock.
 
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It's heartwarming to see people being so giddy about helping JHH buy another Ferrari and matching leather jacket.

JHH doesn't need the stock to go up to buy a Ferrari, this dude is rich.

It's the shareholders who bet on his company that might now be able to buy a Ferrari. Heh, if I had kept my NVIDIA shares that I sold a long time ago, the gains I missed out on could just about have bought me a nice new car.
 
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