NVIDIA Adds Telemetry to Latest Drivers

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psolord

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^ Unfortunately that stuff doesn't work. Windows 10 telemetry IP addresses are "hardcoded" to bypass its own hosts file. The only real way of blocking it is from outside the OS itself (ie, you add the blacklist in your 2nd link to your router / another PC (not running W10) sitting between yours and your router as a proxy), then stay on top of the list adding any new ones after every single update...

Besides which, on top of W10 spyware stuff there's also the stuff in games no-one has mentioned. Steamworks uses telemetry (what you play, when, for how long, at what times, where you play them, what hardware you have, all linked to your personal details, etc). On top of that many games include their own internal telemetry inside the game itself (eg, Ubisoft's "DNA" tech). The only modern gaming PC's genuinely free of any telemetry are Windows 7 + full offline GOG games.

Maybe such solutions do not mute everything, but they are still better than nothing, right?
 

BSim500

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Maybe such solutions do not mute everything, but they are still better than nothing, right?
Well, the false illusion of security is often worse than an honest "no security". From what I've read the "hosts" file is completely ignored for internal OS operations, ie, Win10 telemetry. Windows 10 literally doesn't even look at it (or the Firewall rules) for its own direct to MS connections). When the OS "back-chatter" itself is operating at a lower level than what you are "permitted" to control (or even uses hidden services), then the only real solution is to block it from outside of the OS, ie, router firewall blacklist or intermediate proxy. (And even then ArsTechnica showed it will ignore "proxy" settings for some telemetry).

Really, Mopetar is correct. Running Windows 10, buying Steam / uPlay / Origin with online DRM, playing Ubisoft Games with "DNA" telemetry built into the game, etc, with seemingly zero privacy concerns with that, then only complaining about a 4th layer of telemetry when it comes from a certain brand, is like watching a diabetic stuff himself with 9 sickly cream cakes, then refuse a 10th due to "sugar intake concerns" because it's specifically a green colored cake...
 

Yakk

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Curious, what happens if you play offline? Do the drivers stockpile the telemetry logs and send them when you go back online?
 

Grooveriding

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Something like O&O shutup with router blocks to Microsoft's telemetry servers takes care of it. It's a set and forget solution. I wasn't aware Ubisoft games had telemetry as well though. This is just annoying because it's now another thing to have to remember to disable every time you run an update, in this case to your video drivers.
 

psolord

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Well, the false illusion of security is often worse than an honest "no security". From what I've read the "hosts" file is completely ignored for internal OS operations, ie, Win10 telemetry. Windows 10 literally doesn't even look at it (or the Firewall rules) for its own direct to MS connections). When the OS "back-chatter" itself is operating at a lower level than what you are "permitted" to control (or even uses hidden services), then the only real solution is to block it from outside of the OS, ie, router firewall blacklist or intermediate proxy. (And even then ArsTechnica showed it will ignore "proxy" settings for some telemetry).

Really, Mopetar is correct. Running Windows 10, buying Steam / uPlay / Origin with online DRM, playing Ubisoft Games with "DNA" telemetry built into the game, etc, with seemingly zero privacy concerns with that, then only complaining about a 4th layer of telemetry when it comes from a certain brand, is like watching a diabetic stuff himself with 9 sickly cream cakes, then refuse a 10th due to "sugar intake concerns" because it's specifically a green colored cake...

You are right about the ten cakes, but I'd like to think of myself as a two cake guy. I know I cannot avoid everything. I just avoid what I can. My Asus router helps me with that!
 

Vaporizer

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A guy has 8 blood suckers at him. When the 9th came around to start sucking too he said: Oh well its ok. I like this green slug.
 

Piroko

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Really, Mopetar is correct. Running Windows 10, buying Steam / uPlay / Origin with online DRM, playing Ubisoft Games with "DNA" telemetry built into the game, etc, with seemingly zero privacy concerns with that, then only complaining about a 4th layer of telemetry when it comes from a certain brand, is like watching a diabetic stuff himself with 9 sickly cream cakes, then refuse a 10th due to "sugar intake concerns" because it's specifically a green colored cake...
So, I assume you read the respective EULAs?

Microsoft Privacy staement regarding third party use:
Reasons We Share Personal Data
We share your personal data with your consent or as necessary to complete any transaction or provide any product you have requested or authorized. We also share data with Microsoft-controlled affiliates and subsidiaries; with vendors working on our behalf; when required by law or to respond to legal process; to protect our customers; to protect lives; to maintain the security of our products; and to protect the rights or property of Microsoft.

Steam:
Personally identifiable information is used internally by Valve to deliver, develop and improve products, content and services, to which users have subscribed, and to answer users’ requests. In addition, Valve may allow third parties performing services under contract with Valve, such as order or payment processors or merchandise warehouse and fulfillment services, located in and outside the European Union, to access and use personally identifiable information, but only to the extent necessary to provide those services.

Valve may use personally identifiable information provided by users to send them information about Valve, including news about product updates, contests, events, and other promotional materials, but only if the users agree to receive such communications. Valve will not share any personally identifiable information with third parties for marketing purposes without your consent.

You're free to read your own interpretation into these but I'd say they leave less room for interpretation as to who will have your data and what it will be used for. No "other business purposes" and specific mention of consent. So, seems like the first two sickly cream cakes I ate were sugar free after all.
 

PliotronX

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At this rate, half of all internet traffic will be machines uploading telemetry data.
 

Genx87

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That is disgusting.

Between nvidia, razor, and Microsoft your PC may as well be a phone now with all the telemetry being sent out.

Wow, AMD should capitalize on this and issue a formal statement saying they do not, and will not collect telemetry information.

Dont forget this website you are posting this response. Unless you believe those user focused ads pop up by magic?
 

Yakk

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Dont forget this website you are posting this response. Unless you believe those user focused ads pop up by magic?

Anadtech.com main site looks to have 7 trackers and the forums have 5.
 

nopainnogain

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Normally I'd complain about something like this, but if you're running Windows 10 for DX12, Microsoft is already collecting telemetry data, so it's not as if NV doing likewise is really going to matter that much more.
The school bully already beats me every day, so if he calls his friends to join him, there's no problem.

NSA is already collecting my data, so if the Russian and the Chinese are doing the same, no problema!

Microsoft's Windows 10 is already collecting my data, so if every corporation in the world starts doing the same, why complain?
 

Sheep221

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Games(which is very likely are used by owners of nvidia hardware) do usually have some sort of telemetry of their own. I remember that Blizzard had been downloading various telemetry data from WoW players' computers when the game was running as a means of anti-cheat protection.
 

superstition

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The school bully already beats me every day, so if he calls his friends to join him, there's no problem.

NSA is already collecting my data, so if the Russian and the Chinese are doing the same, no problema!

Microsoft's Windows 10 is already collecting my data, so if every corporation in the world starts doing the same, why complain?
In Soviet America computer use you.
 

ArizonaSteve

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There is no question that my next video card will be AMD. I am already mad at nVidia for their price gouging, but adding telemetry is enough to push me over the edge. I was considering a 1080 to tide me over for the next year or two but now I will keep going with my GTX670 SLI set-up until Vega comes out.
 
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superstition

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A lot of people are still unaware of this.

Stop necroing old threads.
--stahlhart
 
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lopri

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I use Win 10 in a virtual machine with every telemetry blocked in virtual network. ^^ Even then it's mostly for offline use and online activities occur on the Linux VM. Except for games which I play on win 7. (Telemetry blocked of course). Never installed GeForce experience or any other crap. Only the graphics drivers are installed. NV can go to hell.
 

Yakk

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Oh wow didn't realize nvidia embedded the telemetry into the driver package itself instead of the additional software they use.
 

John Connor

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In this day and age, it's a corporate/privacy invasion wet dream. You can thank the OS on your machine and your smartphone. Things will only get worse folks. Don't conform.
 

superstition

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Does it embed spyware in Linux or just the Windows driver?

Also, I wonder about Mac OS.
 

Yakk

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