Nvidia Ampere & Turing (next GeForce) rumor thread

[Tweak155]

This can't be right. This article is speculating a $999 price for the 1180, not Ti model. Then $1500 for the same model with more vram??

They are basically isolating new and old customers with that price. Pretty sure this isn't correct, it can't be. If it is, what the hell are they going to charge for a Ti model, 2k?

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidi...tput-new-price-details-unveiled.308962.0.html

Seems like their source is TweakTown, pretty much the worst tech site I've come across on the internet. Shame on Notebookcheck.

God help us all if it's true though.

 

[sze5003]

Seems like their source is TweakTown, pretty much the worst tech site I've come across on the internet. Shame on Notebookcheck.

God help us all if it's true though.

Yea I've heard they are not a good source. Waiting on a few more articles to see if it's true. Although the CEO mentioned there won't be new cards for a while, then why would this be true?

My plan to only upgrade to Ti models would be ruined if this is true. $800 was my max as I've gotten comfortable paying that for high end models. Pushing over 1k for more vram is crazy and that wouldn't even be their top end model. Unless they did away with the Ti branding.

 

[Head1985]

Looks like a late July / early August release. I'm sure it will be blower models first, followed by AIB custom cards 2 months later. I'm anticipating (guessing) that Pascal's FE prices ($699 and $449) will be the across-the-board MSRP prices, but I also think we might see a $50 price hike in the GTX 1170/1070 model at least until AMD can finally provide some sort of competition.

My best guesses.
$699 GTX 1180/2080 for 25-30% faster performance than GTX 1080 TI
$499 GTX 1170/2070 for 5-10% faster performance than GTX 1080 TI
$349 GTX 1160/2060 TI for GTX 1080 performance
$249 GTX 1160/2060 for GTX 1070 performance

If Nvidia rolls out the GT106 chip before AMD has any new cards on the market, Nvidia will have a ~215 mm2 chip as fast as AMD's 512 mm2 and using nearly 1/3 the power. Ouch.

750USD GTX2080 10-15%faster than 1080TI
500USD GTX2070 5%slower than 1080TI
350USD GTX2060 1070TI performance

 

[PeterScott]

I think most of the gains this gen are going to be async (what we already see with Titan V) and memory bandwidth (20GBps GDDR6 is potentially >80% more memory bandwidth than G5X).

Realistically we might see a jump from 12 Gbps to 16 Gbps, which is 33% more bandwidth, which will still need more or faster graphic units to take advantage of.

http://www.faceofit.com/gddr5-vs-gddr6/
Transfer Speeds: 10 to 12 Gbps for GDDR5X, 14 Gbps to 16 Gbps for GDDR6

 

[nitromullet]

I like PC gaming, but if there isn't a next gen card that performs similarly to the GTX 1080Ti in the $400-500 range, forget it.

There might be $1000-1500 options, but that is not a realistic price point for most people to spend on what is ultimately a toy. I don't think that you can compare pricing during the mining bubble with what most people will spend on a graphics card under normal circumstances.

 

[alcoholbob]

Seems like their source is TweakTown, pretty much the worst tech site I've come across on the internet. Shame on Notebookcheck.

God help us all if it's true though.

It could be true in that it's possible Nvidia will actually switch to 7nm mid-gen and have 7nm Ti parts. In that case the non-Ti models will actually be really big 12nm dies, and will have to be priced accordingly, and once 7nm is in volume next year they can EOL or drop prices on the 12nm parts.

Although the only reason I can see a $1500 GTX 2080 is if it's just a Titan V with the tensor cores cut out and HBM2 replaced with GDDR6.

 

[Midwayman]

I like PC gaming, but if there isn't a next gen card that performs similarly to the GTX 1080Ti in the $400-500 range, forget it.

There might be $1000-1500 options, but that is not a realistic price point for most people to spend on what is ultimately a toy. I don't think that you can compare pricing during the mining bubble with what most people will spend on a graphics card under normal circumstances.

Right? If it gets that expensive I might have to use my current card until it's obsolete and then consider potato gaming.

 

[sze5003]

Right? If it gets that expensive I might have to use my current card until it's obsolete and then consider potato gaming.

Yes or console..which I have pretty much all 3 anyway. It's just sad if that will be the case.

 

[happy medium]

I like PC gaming, but if there isn't a next gen card that performs similarly to the GTX 1080Ti in the $400-500 range, forget it.

Its called the gtx2070 and it will be out within 3 months and be about $439, mabe less..but more for the FE card.

$379 gtx1070 = gtx980ti
$350 gtx970 = gtx780ti

same pattern for like 5 years now...

 

[happy medium]

750USD GTX2080 10-15%faster than 1080TI
500USD GTX2070 5%slower than 1080TI
350USD GTX2060 1070TI performance

close but your prices are too high, mabe take $50 off each one ,and thats for FE cards not AIB cards.

gtx2080ti FE released next summer for $799, uncontested by AMD for 2 years ,usually the 2080\2070 get price cuts.

gtx2080 FE $699, Evga gtx2080 12gb $629 released in about 2 months, uncontested by AMD for over a year
gtx2070 FE $499, Evga gtx2070 12gb $439 released in about 2 months, uncontested by AMD for over a year
gtx2060 FE $329 , Evga gtx2060 8gb $299 early holiday season release and almost as fast as Vega 64

This is my guess and after watching every Nvidia gpu release for the past 18 years, I bet you I'm real close.

 

[sze5003]

close but your prices are too high, mabe take $50 off each one ,and thats for FE cards not AIB cards.

gtx2080ti FE released next summer for $799, uncontested by AMD for 2 years ,usually the 2080\2070 get price cuts.

gtx2080 FE $699, Evga gtx2080 12gb $629 released in about 2 months, uncontested by AMD for over a year
gtx2070 FE $499, Evga gtx2070 12gb $439 released in about 2 months, uncontested by AMD for over a year
gtx2060 FE $329 , Evga gtx2060 8gb $299 early holiday season release and almost as fast as Vega 64

This is my guess and after watching every Nvidia gpu release for the past 18 years, I bet you I'm real close.

I am hoping you are correct. Otherwise it will be a sad time for PC games.

 

[Head1985]

close but your prices are too high, mabe take $50 off each one ,and thats for FE cards not AIB cards.

gtx2080ti FE released next summer for $799, uncontested by AMD for 2 years ,usually the 2080\2070 get price cuts.

gtx2080 FE $699, Evga gtx2080 12gb $629 released in about 2 months, uncontested by AMD for over a year
gtx2070 FE $499, Evga gtx2070 12gb $439 released in about 2 months, uncontested by AMD for over a year
gtx2060 FE $329 , Evga gtx2060 8gb $299 early holiday season release and almost as fast as Vega 64

This is my guess and after watching every Nvidia gpu release for the past 18 years, I bet you I'm real close.

I dont like non FE unicorn prices because they dont exist on launch and few months after launch.So i bet NV will add 50USD to all pascal FE prices.Also there is mining now and amd is gone this time.

Also i think GTX2070 will be little slower than 1080TI this time, because NV tend cut x70 cards more every generation.GTX1070 was most cutdown x70 ever made and was faster than 980TI only because reference 980TI runs underclocked at 1100MHZ but 1070FE runs already maxed out around 1850 with litle oc headroom.But OC both and GTX1070 is slower than 980TI.

If they cut one GPC from GTX2080 3584SP then GTX2070 will have only 2688SP and also probably again way slower memory.

 

[happy medium]

I dont like non FE unicorn prices because they dont exist on launch and few months after launch.So i bet NV will add 50USD to all pascal FE prices.Also there is mining now and amd is gone this time.

Also i think GTX2070 will be little slower than 1080TI this time, because NV tend cut x70 cards more every generation.GTX1070 was most cutdown x70 ever made and was faster than 980TI only because reference 980TI runs underclocked at 1100MHZ but 1070FE runs already maxed out around 1850 with litle oc headroom.But OC both and GTX1070 is slower than 980TI.

If they cut one GPC from GTX2080 3584SP then GTX2070 will have only 2688SP and also probably again way slower memory.

Theses are all good points but remember we are just giving this our best guess.
I'm going by past history.
Its been a long time since Nvidia has disappointed a next gen release, they are on point most of the time.

I believe these cards have been ready for months and they are very likely building inventory while waiting for GDDR6 to be produced in mass.
This could help prices from being too high ,but as always watch e-tailors like newegg and Amazon price gouge the first few weeks.

 

[jpiniero]

Hmm, nVidia has apparently gotten the Hot Chips talk removed entirely, leading to speculation that nVidia is holding back the release due to inventory. They might have overproduced, heh.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Nvidia is such an execution beast at this point that the only real surprise this launch can hold is the new set of cards underperforming the obvious expection that has been set up in the last two generations (x80 cards are last gen's x80 Ti +25%, x70 cards are last gen x80ti, so on).

Nvidia has been so good at executing that they're practically boring now.

AMD is more of a wild card, producing either very compelling or extremely disappointing products. I've always found the lead-up to their launches to be much more entertaining.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I hope that this release will signal some moderation in gpu pricing across all skews. My old gtx 780 ti is long in the tooth and I'll be looking to replace it very soon so news of forthcoming models should signal some relief for me in the near future.

 

[PeterScott]

I hope that this release will signal some moderation in gpu pricing across all skews. My old gtx 780 ti is long in the tooth and I'll be looking to replace it very soon so news of forthcoming models should signal some relief for me in the near future.

Dream on. Unfortunately, it will be the chance for NVidia to take a bigger price jump before the middlemen and retailers start inflating prices.

People have demonstrated they will still pay inflated prices for GPUs, so don't expect prices to fall.

I expect price/performance will barely move. A new 1160 may perform like an 1070, but it will be priced like the 1070.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I had to order a replacement for my gtx 780 ti a few minutes ago because its in the dying stages and keeps on blanking my screen out and/or freezing my pc. I ended up getting an xfx rx 580 8gb xxx edition as it was the best performance to price I could find even though I'd love to have been able to slap a gtx 1080 in there and call it a day.

 

[alcoholbob]

If Nvidia is switching to 7nm in 2019 then the reports of a $1500 top end SKU might make sense. They could simply launch the 1180 and 1180 Ti at the same time, with the later being just Titan Vs with GDDR6 and they can get rid of all their 12nm dies in time for 7nm Tesla ramp up.

With the actual Titan V being refreshed with the 32GB "CEO edition" with 128 ROPs.

 

[psolord]

Dream on. Unfortunately, it will be the chance for NVidia to take a bigger price jump before the middlemen and retailers start inflating prices.

People have demonstrated they will still pay inflated prices for GPUs, so don't expect prices to fall.

I expect price/performance will barely move. A new 1160 may perform like an 1070, but it will be priced like the 1070.

This is exactly what I fear. I think my 1070 will be the first gpu in almost a decade, that will end up serving me as a primary gpu for four years. Usually I upgrade every two years, because there is an actuall price/performance incentive.

 

[sze5003]

Yea if the higher prices are going to be the set norm now due to what happened with the miners, then I'll be sticking with my 1080ti for some more time. I usually upgraded every two years as well. But who knows how much the next Ti model will go for.

It will go up in price for sure and then the first week you will still not have stock due to miners buying them, and then we will see the usual price gauging from people that bought multiples to sell.

Blame this on humans lol they created the price norms even though Nvidia has no problem selling at a high price.

 

[aigomorla]

I learned the hardway to skip the regular GTX, and go straight to Ti, and not look back.

So i just hope the Ti's wont be hit with this delay like the regular GTX's are.

 

[ozzy702]

Dream on. Unfortunately, it will be the chance for NVidia to take a bigger price jump before the middlemen and retailers start inflating prices.

People have demonstrated they will still pay inflated prices for GPUs, so don't expect prices to fall.

I expect price/performance will barely move. A new 1160 may perform like an 1070, but it will be priced like the 1070.

Yup. With zero competition from AMD prices will continue to creep and price/performance will stagnate.

That said, I want something to push my 1440p 144hz monitor with all the eye candy and an 1180 should do just that with hopefully enough enough grunt to do 4K when I upgrade down the road.

I'm surprised we aren't seeing more rumors with potentially correct info. Again, I'm thinking with zero pressure to release and expensive fabs/DDR6, NVIDIA is in no rush and at best we'll get a paper launch late summer/early fall. I bet we don't see a full release until Dec or later.

 

[happy medium]

Yup. With zero competition from AMD prices will continue to creep and price/performance will stagnate.

That said, I want something to push my 1440p 144hz monitor with all the eye candy and an 1180 should do just that with hopefully enough enough grunt to do 4K when I upgrade down the road.

I'm surprised we aren't seeing more rumors with potentially correct info. Again, I'm thinking with zero pressure to release and expensive fabs/DDR6, NVIDIA is in no rush and at best we'll get a paper launch late summer/early fall. I bet we don't see a full release until Dec or later.

Announcing in August, releasing in September, AIB cards early October.
You heard it first here folks, get your money ready.

 

[amenx]

Rumor based on supposed leaked email.

• GeForce GTX 1180 on 30th August
• GeForce GTX 1170/1180+ in 30th September
• GeForce GTX 1160 on 30th October

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/ge..._late_august_11801170_and_1160_to_follow.html