So, what you are saying is to expect a 2080 or whatever founders edition at a cool $999.That's a steal compared to a $3k Titan V. Sounds far too good to be true...
So, what you are saying is to expect a 2080 or whatever founders edition at a cool $999.That's a steal compared to a $3k Titan V. Sounds far too good to be true...Wow you're totally right. How could I forget? That was the most infamous of them all. It also certainly wasn't a small die dual GPU card. They used two big boys on that one and that card sucked! What a joke it was. But hey, those good old days aren't gone forever. We have single GPU cards that cost $3,000 now. We should celebrate somehow.
So, what you are saying is to expect a 2080 or whatever founders edition at a cool $999.That's a steal compared to a $3k Titan V. Sounds far too good to be true...
What is your definition of a mid range die. I already showed the x80 series die sizes for the past 10 years and they were similar.
Nvidia's die sizes were also similar to AMD's and so were the prices and performance.
Just because Nvidia cancelled the dual gpu cards in favor of a huge single chip does not mean lower performing chips were mid- range.
Are you saying that AMD has not released a high end chip in 6 years?
Was the 390x 8gb a mid range chip vs the gtx980? No.
Was the Fury X a mid range chip vs the gtx980ti? No. It was a enthusiast high end chip, they replaced the dual chip cards like the $1500 295x2 or the $1000 gtx690.
Again, I give statistics and real examples to my argument, you bring your opinion.
Back up your claims with something better than " it was mid- range".
Its not just the DIE that makes a chip MidRange or High end... its the core.
so for example:
The Titan X was 471mm with 3584 Cuda Cores, 224 TMU's, and 96 ROP's.
The Titan Xp was 471mm with 3840 Cuda Cores, 240 TMU's, and 96 ROP's.
The GTX 1080ti was 471mm with 3584 Cuda Cores, 224 TMU's, and 88 ROP's.
These 3 are variants of the same GP-102 chip, with some having some features intentionally disabled.
The GTX 1080 was 314mm with 2560 cuda cores, 160 TMU's, and 64 ROP's.
The GTX 1070ti was also 314mm with 2432 cuda cores, 152 TMU's, and 64 ROP's.
The GTX 1070 was also 314mm with 1920 cuda cores, 120 TMU's, and 64 ROP's.
These 3 are variants of the same GP-104 chip, with some having some features intentionally disabled.
As with all lines the Titan is launched first, followed by the 80/70 Series is Launched Second, and eventually the TI lines are launched last.
Given that we know the entire product lineup in any given generation, I dont see how you can call ANY card based on the 104 chip anything but midrange. The 1080 is the highest of the midrange, but it is still only 2/3rds of the 102 chip. Only chips which come from the 102 line are high end, except in the special case of the 780ti which came from the 110 chip, which was fully enabled.
Of Course anything based on the 106 chip is low/mid end, and 107/108 is low/budget.
Sao123.,
If the gtx1060 is Low mid range, what is the gtx1070? Mid range?How about the gtx1070ti? Upper mid range?
That makes the gtx1080 super upper mid range?
No, the gtx1080 is high end, simple as that, always has been, and probably always will be.
Its pretty obvious the gpu prices have shifted up, just looking at nv margins and profit confirms it and then some. Gaming segment is a cashcow.
I dont know why this is even debated. One can argue that if you dont want the card just dont buy it. Midrange highend whatever label.
If you have to have the newest/best high end card, NV will gladly take your money, but buying the most expensive card is not even remotely necessary anymore to get a great gaming experience.
Its pretty obvious the gpu prices have shifted up, just looking at nv margins and profit confirms it and then some. Gaming segment is a cashcow.
I dont know why this is even debated. One can argue that if you dont want the card just dont buy it. Midrange highend whatever label.
Yeaa one can say its fairly shortsighted to rake in all that profit. Next gen consoles could easily be a pain to pc.That would be fine, except we have no alternative. So it's either give Nvidia ALL of the money in the world, or you don't game. Maybe gaming on a console is where Nvidia is trying to push us? That's what it seems like. I understand they get to charge whatever they want, but there is also a limit to what people are willing to spend. There are a few like me who don't want to settle for the X70 class products, but if prices keep going the way they are, that's where I will have to draw my line in the sand and I won't spend $700 on an X70 class card. That's the precise moment I give up PC gaming and never come back. Nvidia will actually drive me there with their price creep. I can't possibly be the only one in this camp.
Future prices should look like this:
Titan = $3,000
X80Ti = $1,200
X80 = $850
X70 = $700
X60 = $500
Sound fair? That's where its going. All the cheap holdouts only willing to give Nvidia $400 or less will get the crappiest 1080p gaming experience ever. Telling me that's not what NVidia wants? Of course that's what they want. They want to price everyone out and those who can't afford $850-$3,000 will get the leftover scraps and enjoy their cheap expensive card.
This is exactly like Intel charging $1,100 for 8 cores because there was no alternative. Now you can get 8 cores for $300 or 8 modern Intel cores for about $400. Yep. That's what happens. We need ATI back or a new player in the game. Forget AMD they are done with graphics IMO. They are as behind in graphics now as they were in CPU's for the last 15 years. Its really, REALLY bad for them right now and even worse for us because we get to eat it hard.
Here's to hoping Raja lights Intel on graphics fire and uses their billions and fabs to make a straight up legit badass GPU.
It does look this way. Normally if they have a chance to increase prices they will. Specifically looking at the mining issue with the shortages, some people still bought cards so they will continue testing the prices in the market.That would be fine, except we have no alternative. So it's either give Nvidia ALL of the money in the world, or you don't game. Maybe gaming on a console is where Nvidia is trying to push us? That's what it seems like. I understand they get to charge whatever they want, but there is also a limit to what people are willing to spend. There are a few like me who don't want to settle for the X70 class products, but if prices keep going the way they are, that's where I will have to draw my line in the sand and I won't spend $700 on an X70 class card. That's the precise moment I give up PC gaming and never come back. Nvidia will actually drive me there with their price creep. I can't possibly be the only one in this camp.
Future prices should look like this:
Titan = $3,000
X80Ti = $1,200
X80 = $850
X70 = $700
X60 = $500
Sound fair? That's where its going. All the cheap holdouts only willing to give Nvidia $400 or less will get the crappiest 1080p gaming experience ever. Telling me that's not what NVidia wants? Of course that's what they want. They want to price everyone out and those who can't afford $850-$3,000 will get the leftover scraps and enjoy their cheap expensive card.
This is exactly like Intel charging $1,100 for 8 cores because there was no alternative. Now you can get 8 cores for $300 or 8 modern Intel cores for about $400. Yep. That's what happens. We need ATI back or a new player in the game. Forget AMD they are done with graphics IMO. They are as behind in graphics now as they were in CPU's for the last 15 years. Its really, REALLY bad for them right now and even worse for us because we get to eat it hard.
Here's to hoping Raja lights Intel on graphics fire and uses their billions and fabs to make a straight up legit badass GPU.
Please read post 147 carefully.
Tell me what you think.
Thanks
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/61326/nvidias-next-gen-gtx-11-series-20/index.html
Tweaktown claims it will be called the 11 series, and that nVidia will mix up the model branding... so don't expect it to be called 1170 and 1180.
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/61326/nvidias-next-gen-gtx-11-series-20/index.html
Tweaktown claims it will be called the 11 series, and that nVidia will mix up the model branding... so don't expect it to be called 1170 and 1180.
I sure hope you are wrong. Somehow I have a scary feeling you may be on to something. That would be disappointing but you have to think there's a point where people have to say that's enough. So they won't do as well in sales if they are charging $1500 for a Ti model equivalent. If that's the case I'll just play on the PS4 pro.
No geforce cards announced.
Hmm, mixed branding. Here's my take: They release a Pascal refresh series and we get GTX branding from that. They release Volta cards alongside them and call those RTX cards for ray tracing. These Geforce "RTX" cards will cost $1,500.00. So, with the new branding, added tensor cores and more general performance as well, they get to justify charging $1,500 for these special cards. So, the 1080ti's actual replacement from the Volta arch will probably cost $1,500 instead of $650 or $700. Its the creation of a new product brand, just like Titan. Its "new, different and better" so they charge more for it.
That's my guess and here's to hoping I'm as wrong as anyone has ever been wrong, but this feels true to me. This feels like it could easily happen. Nvidia is bored with charging $700 for the Ti class cards so they found a way to charge double that price, and anyone cheap enough to only spend $700 will probably just get a crappy Pascal refresh with more clocks or something. Here's to hoping I'm WRONG!
Please be wrong...! Who will splurge 1500 for a GPU!?