Originally posted by: Crusader
Originally posted by: akugami
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=4&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
Crusader, read that thread and read my post in there. I did a little searching and it turns out ATI sells nearly as much discrete GPU's as nVidia meaning that the popularity level of ATI's Radeon video cards are about on par with nVidia's Geforce video cards. Basically it shows that even with the superior performance of nVidia's Geforce 7 cards over what ATI had out at the time, ATI was still doing quite well. If you got numbers showing differently then please do so by all means.
Dead wrong.
I was talking about
current gen video card sales. Not integrated, not yesteryears. This is X1900 vs GF7 that I was referring too. Sorry. It has nothing to do with what I said.. therefore you are posting ATI fanboy garbage if you are directing your info towards me.
Originally posted by: Crusader
No I'd say the GF7 series has massively more popularity than the X1900s.
Try again next time.
You knew better than to try to post that crap as a rebuttal to my statement. See ya.
You say I'm wrong, show me reports refuting my thoughts. I'm dead wrong, but you have no proof I'm wrong? Again, the only report of nVidia dominating ATI to any large degree was last seen in late 2003 by my searches.
In 2004 and 2005 ATI took roughly half of the GPU market and in certain segments of the market such as integrated notebook GPU's, it took 60% and recently surged to 77%. In discrete desktop sales it alternated between 40 odd % to 50 odd %, which is the same fluctuation my searching showed nVidia with. Meaning no one company dominated, contrary to your and many other people's claims.
Now, there aren't a lot of numbers for 2006 yet since Q1'06 is not even over yet but there is nothing to suggest that the numbers would be remarkably different. I'd wager that if in 2005 with nVidia having nearly an 8 month undisputed period where it was top dog and the market was still split roughly even between nVidia and ATI what makes you think ATI will sell drastically less video cards than nVidia when the overall performance between the top two GPU's of each company is nearly evenly split?
I'm not saying it's outperforming nVidia but it's more than holding it's own and at worse, in the last two years it's selling 40% of all video cards sold. That is insanely good when you are doing 40% of the business in a market. Ask Samsung, Cowon, iRiver, Creative, etc, if they were to have 40% of the DAP business by years end with Apple owning 55% if they would be happy with this or not? I'd wager any amount you care to place on the table that they'd be ecstatic. Forget 40%, ask any company if they were to have only 30% of a multi billion dollar market if they'd be happy or not.
It all comes down to this, I have links to reports showing my claim that ATI is doing very well. From all indications it's holding roughly half the market between it and nVidia. That's not counting total GPU sales which it holds 26% compared to nVidia's 18% with Intel the overwhelming market leader. All I'm saying is that ATI is not getting owned and holding it's own. I'm not going to make outrageous claims about it kicking nVidia's rear end but from what I can see and what I've dug up I don't see it being slaughtered by nVidia. Is it so hard to accept that ATI as a company is doing quite well? Is it so hard to accept that their market share will not suddenly decline overnight when the products they market are now much more competitive compared to their competition's products in the last 8 months? It's simple economics, if economics can be said to be simple.
Again, you say I'm wrong but you have zero proof to back up your words. Prove me wrong. Show me reports where nVidia's sales numbers are overwhelming ATI's.