Nvidia are on a roll

[Gstanfor]

I suggest you try some of the advice I offered apoppin...

 

[BFG10K]

I suggest you try some of the advice I offered apoppin

:roll:

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986


Its early feb launch goon ;( 4 months away max. AMD wants to launch other stuff with it. Production starts in Jan and sample will be sent on Late Dec to Jan. This thread has become into Nvidia fantasy paradise where ATI hasn't done crap all.

So do you work for ATI, since you seem to have their "true" roadmap?

 

[josh6079]

...it would NOT much sense to pay premium right now eg. jumping from a 1900XT to a GTX...because WHEN you can actually use all that power and the games are THERE...it for sure will be cheaper...

You are using that horsepower with games right now. Games right now are using this card's capabilities and it's giving us exactly what gamers want: top-notch visuals with great playability.

I guess you wouldn't like nalu since the F-buffers that ATi claimed would allow them to run long shaders easily and fast didn't do much for emulating her (long, branching shader) hair.

EDIT: nvidia's female models didn't give you the distinct impression they'd like to jump up and chop/blow your head off either, unlike Ruby (I think Ruby must have been something of a tom-boy).

WTF? You're arguing about the girl-mascots? ROTFL!! Pathetic.

Gstanfor, this thread's title is, "Nvidia are on a roll" not, "Nvidia has a troll". Be quiet already.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Gstanfor, this thread's title is, "Nvidia are on a roll" not, "Nvidia has a troll". Be quiet already.

awesome!

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: josh6079

Gstanfor, this thread's title is, "Nvidia are on a roll" not, "Nvidia has a troll". Be quiet already.

awesome!

Why don't *YOU* shut up and go read this thread to see what Jen-Hsun Huang thinks of your cpu-gpu predictions?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: josh6079

Gstanfor, this thread's title is, "Nvidia are on a roll" not, "Nvidia has a troll". Be quiet already.

awesome!

Why don't *YOU* shut up and go read this thread to see what Jen-Hsun Huang thinks of your cpu-gpu predictions?

been there ....

done that

bored as hell with Huang's misdirections

and your silly FUD about ATi being unable to innovate

g'nite

 

[Gstanfor]

You may be 'boar'ed with Huang's "mispredictions", but I'll bet the market isn't.

Personally I loved the "like putting lipstick on a pig" analogy myself. The fact that google found me a lipsticked pig with rose tinted sunnies was icing on the cake...

 

[josh6079]

Why don't *YOU* shut up and go read this thread to see what Jen-Hsun Huang thinks of your cpu-gpu predictions?

Yes, send me to another one of your troll threads, that'll show me...:roll:

Nvidia *is* on a roll and their G80 is another footprint in their ingenuity. That's not to say that they patented the pixel and the GPU while doing everything else in between, but they have made some great innovations over their time. They wouldn't have done so had they been the only ones however, and I can see a lot of ATi's combativeness behind some of their products. To say that they alone are the almighty graphics hardware developers is, IMO, an exaggerated credibility.

Hats off to nVidia for giving us a modern-day R300 and for initiating the move to DX10. Next will be ATi's move, at which point nVidia will innovate again. Afterall, a competitive market influences such creativity, not a company's curiosity alone. It's just a benefit to us that a company's curiosity and a competitive market go hand-in-hand; the need to innovate comes from the need to compete/survive.

Have they released some Vista drivers yet for G80?

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Why don't *YOU* shut up and go read this thread to see what Jen-Hsun Huang thinks of your cpu-gpu predictions?

Yes, send me to another one of your troll threads, that'll show me...:roll:

Nvidia *is* on a roll and their G80 is another footprint in their ingenuity. That's not to say that they patented the pixel and the GPU while doing everything else in between, but they have made some great innovations over their time. They wouldn't have done so had they been the only ones however, and I can see a lot of ATi's combativeness behind some of their products. To say that they alone are the almighty graphics hardware developers is, IMO, an exaggerated credibility.

Hats off to nVidia for giving us a modern-day R300 and for initiating the move to DX10. Next will be ATi's move, at which point nVidia will innovate again. Afterall, a competitive market influences such creativity, not a company's curiosity alone. It's just a benefit to us that a company's curiosity and a competitive market go hand-in-hand; the need to innovate comes from the need to compete/survive.

Have they released some Vista drivers yet for G80?

That would be becaus my post wasn't meant for you...

Rubbish!

Remember nv10 & nv15's Nvidia Shading Rasterizer? Nvidia were planning shaders before anyone else in the industry even dreamed they were possible.

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The GeForce2 also introduced the NVIDIA Shading Rasterizer (NSR), which was actually a primitive form of what is known as Pixel Shaders today (The GeForce 256 also had this feature, but it was never publicly announced).

 

[josh6079]

Rubbish!

Remember nv10 & nv15's Nvidia Shading Rasterizer? Nvidia were planning shaders before anyone else in the industry even dreamed they were possible.

Exactly. What better way to compete than to blow the competition out of the water and offer something no one else can touch all while bringing a technology that will only help the industry?

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Rubbish!

Remember nv10 & nv15's Nvidia Shading Rasterizer? Nvidia were planning shaders before anyone else in the industry even dreamed they were possible.

Exactly. What better way to compete than to blow the competition out of the water and offer something no one else can touch all while bringing a technology that will only help the industry?

You may be interested to learn that Pixel Shader V1.1 as seen in DX8 is simply the NSR written more generically and expanded a little.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: TecHNooB

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
Where are the game , its an nice E penis extension... Spend $600 to play what ? ... Nvidia ain't small guys they are big.

who cares about the games?

Who cares abbout the games?? This man is crazy.

you got that right

 

[josh6079]

You may be interested to learn that Pixel Shader V1.1 as seen in DX8 is simply the NSR written more generically and expanded a little.

You may be interested to learn that BF2 Patch V1.4 is simply the 1.3 Patch written more generically and expanded a little...

Seriously where are you going now? If you're not going off about which vendor has the better chick by their logo or how competition doesn't directly innovate technology you're rambling into different Pixel Shader versions. Nvidia released a great card when they said they were going to and the move to DX10 is finally getting felt. The only thing that I can think of that they need to do is all driver-based and I have no doubts in Nvidia with that.

 

[Nirach]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
Where are the game , its an nice E penis extension... Spend $600 to play what ? ... Nvidia ain't small guys they are big. Nvidia ain't the 1st company to introduce unified architecture , it was ATI's GPU in the XBOX 360. Nvidia last year was so verbally against the unified architecture. Then suddenly the bashing from their head engineering about Unified architecture stopped arround feb 06.

i didnt mention anything about who was first with unified shaders, i just said that initially we thought nv would stick to seperate shaders...and then bam out came G80

im fully aware of the xenos GPU...afterall i have one and have read up on it

doesnt make the G80 any less spectacular though, console graphics are old hat now lol and thats before the PS3 has even arrived hahahaha

If the PS3 arrives. IF. =P

 

[lopri]

I didn't read the whole thread but assuming this thread is about NV's amazing performance this year, I think we've got to give it to NV. With G80, NV achieved:

1) First DX10 GPU to market
2) First unified-shader GPU for PC
3) Another hard launch
4) Simultaneous launch of 680i, also with day-1 availability

As a businessman myself, I have to admit that NV's marketing team is industry's No.1. With G71 launch they stormed the market with 'efficiency' argument, which made R580 look like an oversized grill. Now they do a 180 degree turn with gargantuan dice and claim it's "NV's way to say thank you to the community" - everyone gets into a 'awe' mode. :laugh: I hope (and think) someday NV will measure up to the spot next to Intel.

 

[sandorski]

ATI will counter and exceed, Nvidia will counter and exceed, ATI will counter and exceed, Nvidia will counter and exceed..............

 

[Keysplayr]

Probably a large number of reasons a company tries to innovate. Pressure from developers, Microsoft, complaints from end users. But the biggest reason of all, and there is no debating this as that would be foolhardy, is grabbing more money than your competition.

There are countless individuals in R&D that truly wish to invent and innovate. Make things better than they were. But that's R&D. Walk down the hall to the elevator, press the button for the PH suite and visit the CFO. And you will be told to "Get it done", and "I don't care if you don't have enough time." or my fav, "Do you like working here?". It's all about the money being grabbed out from your competition that is the true innovator in big business.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: sandorski
ATI will counter and exceed, Nvidia will counter and exceed, ATI will counter and exceed, Nvidia will counter and exceed..............

Im not so sure ATi has any 4 year / $400m projects in the pipeline right now.

Im seriously concerned that the R600 wont be up to snuff with the G80 refresh itll be up against. I wont pay $500+ for a graphics card.

With a die shrink those cores are going to get significantly faster and significantly cheaper.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: lopri
I didn't read the whole thread but assuming this thread is about NV's amazing performance this year, I think we've got to give it to NV. With G80, NV achieved:

1) First DX10 GPU to market
2) First unified-shader GPU for PC
3) Another hard launch
4) Simultaneous launch of 680i, also with day-1 availability

As a businessman myself, I have to admit that NV's marketing team is industry's No.1. With G71 launch they stormed the market with 'efficiency' argument, which made R580 look like an oversized grill. Now they do a 180 degree turn with gargantuan dice and claim it's "NV's way to say thank you to the community" - everyone gets into a 'awe' mode. :laugh: I hope (and think) someday NV will measure up to the spot next to Intel.

yep, well put . . .. nVidia IS on a roll . . . i give '06 to them in every way with the release of this amazing GPU ....

in comparison, ATi is a 'no show' . . . BUT, they now have AMD as their parent and i expect their marketing will only [can only] improve as they firesale their x1900 line ...

they are releasing r600 with/after Vista and while nvidia has a 'lead', it is a very expensive GPU to produce ... so '07 is very much 'up-in-the-air' and to declare any 'winner' now is premature, imo.

and with the 'confirmation' from nvidia's CEO that they ARE making a CPU ... the future is very much in doubt and exciting.

yep, i think nvidia will be right next to intel . . . that would be 1)DAAMiT 2) intel ... 3) nvidia

 

[schtuga]

yep, i think nvidia will be right next to intel . . . that would be 1)DAAMiT 2) intel ... 3) nvidia

[/quote]


Lets just start with dammit taking 2nd from Nvidia for 07 seeing as it is now
1)Intel 2)Nvidia 3) Dammit -at least that's what the value of the companies are listed at right now.

Maybe in 08 they can jump to 1st

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: schtuga


yep, i think nvidia will be right next to intel . . . that would be 1)DAAMiT 2) intel ... 3) nvidia

Lets just start with dammit taking 2nd from Nvidia for 07 seeing as it is now
1)Intel 2)Nvidia 3) Dammit -at least that's what the value of the companies are listed at right now.

Maybe in 08 they can jump to 1st
[/quote]

first ... i wan't serious ... just a reply to the poster that said nvidia can be right next to intel ... right behind DAAMit.

secondly ... i really DO mean the future ... late '08 .... '09

as things evolve

 

[tvdang7]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
Where are the game , its an nice E penis extension... Spend $600 to play what ? ... Nvidia ain't small guys they are big. Nvidia ain't the 1st company to introduce unified architecture , it was ATI's GPU in the XBOX 360. Nvidia last year was so verbally against the unified architecture. Then suddenly the bashing from their head engineering about Unified architecture stopped arround feb 06.

i agree with him. why diss the architecture then make it ur own?

*ahem* D*ck suckers IMO.

but its a good card and we dont need more threads about this topic. you cant have an argument about how nvidia is doing so well and how team red is late or what ever when nvidia used is using ati's technology.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Beachboy
Nvidia is hardly the small guy but they are smacking ATI like Intel smacked AMD.

They are always trading places.. like how 9xxx kicked all fx5xxx series , then NV came back w. 6xxx, then ATI regained the crown w. x800 series, NV 7900, then ATI1900, now G80...

I'm sure R600 will be >= G80, else ATI/AMD will be big trouble..
can't lose 2 in a row.

I'm positive R600 beats G80. I'm not positive that it beats G80 by enough for anyone to care. With how much later it's coming out, this needs to be a Geforce FX or better domination for it to affect the market, G80 +10% or +20% will not do that, especially since nvidia's more than competitive pricing on mid and low range products has typically dominated ATI, even when ATI took the high end performance wise.
Releasing slightly better products than what was launched 6 months ago is what ATI did throughout most of its history. It never worked, and their half generational leads were always eclipsed by the next gen way too soon. Dual chip rage fury just in time to compete with geforce, radeon just in time to compete with geforce 2, radeon 8500 just in time to compete with geforce 4, the 9700pro was the only time they released early enough and with enough performance lead for the market to care. X800 series wasn't a big slip up on the high end, but they seriously screwed the pooch on low end pricing, and x1800/1900 was just too little, too late. They were a bit more competitive on low/mid range pricing, but at the cost of their own profit margins, something nvidia didn't have to do.

Anyhow, ATI can't survive as a company that just barely outdoes nvidia, but 6 months later.

nvidia's history in general and in particular the development of nv10 & nv20 show just how wrong you are.

I'd say the opposite. Prior to NV10 was the most competitive the market had ever been, with nvidia, 3dfx, ati, and matrox all having cards that were roughly equal, and ati and 3dfx threatening to release big bad boy cards. But 3dfx slipped up, and ati's wasn't nearly as big and bad as the geforce.
As for nv20, it was in development at a time when 3dfx, matrox, and ati were all threatening to release similarly capable cards, just none ever did. I'd say the Geforce FX is more showing of what happens to nvidia's development when there is no imminent competition, the 9700 pro came out of nowhere after the market had been almost exclusively nvidia's for about 2 years, and dominated by them for the year prior to that.

Same with the pixel shaders. You saw them first from nvidia, who then licenced them to microsoft so others could use them. Amazing generosity.

You're wrong. Nvidia doesn't own 'pixel shaders' and never did, if anything it was microsoft who was doing the licensing, which they weren't. BTW, Radeon had full vertex shader support prior to the release of the geforce 3, way before actually.
I can't say for sure if you're right about MSAA or not, but I'm sure it was a well known technique from SGI like nearly everything else used nowadays.

I have yet to see AA that beats 3DFX's V5500 series. Perhaps that method is now owned by Nvidia(I hope so anyway because good is good).

3dfx's wasn't that good. It's been beat since the 6800 came out, and the 9700 pro did a better job at removing jaggies anyway. Besides jaggies, all 3dfx's method did was some texture sharpening and color accuracy stuff, the latter is not needed with 32 bit color and the former is handled partly by newer AA techniques, and the rest handled by anisotropic levels that 3dfx could never even think of touching. (did they even have anisotropic filtering?)
Oh, and current day AA techniques have much better performance. Mourn not the Voodoo 5, it has been beaten in every aspect except sli compatibility with all games.

 

[flexy]

() i defintly give it to NV this time, props to them for the G80.
() i also admit i am disappointed that ATI is always behind recently....and needs way too long to catch up
w/ certain features. Just remember how long it took them to bring out a SM3.0 card.
() i have NO CLUE whatseover whether R600 will be better than G80
() a true enthusiast will always look at hardware and features - and NOT at brand-names

Edit: So, yeah, even as ATI supporter i'd defintly say "NV is on a roll". <--

Edit2: I thought Ruby was hot....but then it's a matter of taste