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Techpowerup's review hinges on ridiculous levels of weird positivity over the 5070 Ti. Not only does W1zzard get somehow better FPS than everyone else, he also refers to the fake MSRP as a "controversy" (as if it wasn't easily observable), scores the card according to the $750 price and then puts an Editor Recommendation stamp on it at the end.
To be fair, W1zzard is weirdly positive in all his reviews. He gave the 7900 Xtx, 7900 XT, and 7900 GRE "editor's choice". He gave the 7800 XT, 7700 XT, and 7600 "highly recommended". I think the 7600 XT is the only RDNA3 GPU without an award.
 

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Because TPU has such large and easy to reference charts with lots of different generations you know that at the launch of the 7000 series TPU's numbers and the $750 MSRP are going to be brought up and no one will remember what they actually sold for.

"Mission Accomplished" - NVidia PR team. It's a crazy disinformation tactic.

To be fair, W1zzard is weirdly positive in all his reviews. He gave the 7900 Xtx, 7900 XT, and 7900 GRE "editor's choice". He gave the 7800 XT, 7700 XT, and 7600 "highly recommended". I think the 7600 XT is the only RDNA3 GPU without an award.

If it was me and I was getting these media guides and early access, this is probably how I would do it IMO.

"Fine, everything is amazing. If everything is 100% then it's all the same and I get to take the money and make a living."

If the alternative is "honesty" and rage bait clicks and a loss of review access, I guess I pick the "positivity" and trust people might read past it and make their own conclusions.
 

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"Fine, everything is amazing. If everything is 100% then it's all the same and I get to take the money and make a living."

You only get to take the money and make a living while you have an audience that follows your content because they trust your judgment.

Many publications have fallen in the last decade, in no small part because their audience started believing more in other sources.



(not the case of anandtech, though... those guys simply stopped making GPU reviews period)
 

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You only get to take the money and make a living while you have an audience that follows your content because they trust your judgment.

Many publications have fallen in the last decade, in no small part because their audience started believing more in other sources.



(not the case of anandtech, though... those guys simply stopped making GPU reviews period)
Tom's hardware was Anandtech's boss; I'll let you deduce the rest.

This is the worst Nvidia generation in a long long time. Many salty gamers over them removing 32bit PhysX support. It seems like a little thing to apologists, but axing 40 games, including some all time greats from series like Batman, Borderlands, and Black Flag is most uncool. It does not send a good message either. Nvidia is making backwards compatibility on PC synonymous with console peasantry.
 

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I haven't kept up with the PhysX thing, but couldn't you run that in software like 15 years ago? Sure performance was horrendous but it surprises me if it can't be brute forced decently today.
 

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This is the worst Nvidia generation in a long long time.

We've known that was going to be the case for some time. Be tough to get better performance with no better node and no transistor count increase.

There might not be much of a reason to do a faster card than the 5090 unless they are serious about going above 600 W.
 

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That’s fair but I played the bejeebus out of Borderlands 2, for example on my peasant AMD GPU. I don’t remember suffering. How is this worse?

(Not discounting its dumb for nVidia to have dropped it without some sort of software magic to translate it to 64 bit)
WTF M8? They took away a feature for flying spaghetti monster's sake. That's bad. You did not play the games with the PhysX effects, but it was a big selling point for Nvidia marketing. They sponsored games to use it the way they do DLSS and RT/PT. Now they are sending you back to the days when you needed a second cheap Nvidia card to do PhysX in those games. 🤣
 
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Wow that's insane. How did Radeon guys play this game at that time then? Surely you can also turn PhysX off too right?
The games run fine without the GPU accelerated PhysX. What it did was added some exclusive effects e.g. Arkham Knight has it under game works as fog, smoke, and debris. They are grayed out when playing on Radeon.

I loaded up Borderlands 2 and again the PhysX setting is grayed out on AMD. I read they nerfed CPU PhysX years back, which is why a modern CPU might not easily handle the workload.
 
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Ahh the joys of black box or locked out proprietary engines and tech. Right DLSS-Tim at HUB? It was so nice when Nvidia blocked using Nvidia gpu for phys-x and amd for video in the same system.

Edit: Fun video comparison from PCMR:

Inb4 Nvidia trains an AI model to fake physics simulations that only runs on newer Nvidia GPUs via tensor cores rather than just literally running the actual physics simulations on the shader cores like how we used to.
 

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WTF M8? They took away a feature for flying spaghetti monster's sake. That's bad. You did not play the games with the PhysX effects, but it was a big selling point for Nvidia marketing. They sponsored games to use it the way they do DLSS and RT/PT. Now they are sending you back to the days when you needed a second cheap Nvidia card to do PhysX in those games. 🤣
Nononono, nerfing features bad.

You also went on to answer my question, but I meant "what do we lose gameplay wise" - I didn't notice BL2 running bad on my 6800 setup when I fired it up a while back when they made the old Tiny Tina's DLC standalone and I wanted to see where I had left my Gaige progression wise
 
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How much of a GPU do you need to run PhysX? Would a 710 be sufficient, or a 1030?
From what I recall, the original Ageia PhysX cards were nothing but a RISC core with some VLIW SIMD units slapped onto it.

I bet a decent GPU from the GTX 8800 era would work fine.
 

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Nononono, nerfing features bad.

You also went on to answer my question, but I meant "what do we lose gameplay wise" - I didn't notice BL2 running bad on my 6800 setup when I fired it up a while back when they made the old Tiny Tina's DLC standalone and I wanted to see where I had left my Gaige progression wise
Yeah, I read that wrong. Apologies. I should have known you were not running interference.

In the Arkham games the detractors used to say "Holy Bat trash!" 🤪 You'll see extra debris from stuff; including trash flying around in the wind on the streets. The fog and smoke were better with an Nvidia card too. The counter was none of the effects required proprietary hardware/did not need PhysX to do any of it. My opinion is they are bringing console peasantry to the PCMR by taking away backwards compatibility with an exclusive feature. That could just be me of course.
 
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Is that with a 23% VAT? About US$1000 for the models in stock if so, which is ridiculous but sold out every here in minutes from what I've seen.
 
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