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Hopefully someone creates a wrapper soon. I hate an anxiety attack waiting to pounce on me at the thought of some old TWIMTBP game I want to enjoy on RTX 13060 and having the PhysX effects unavailable.
 

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So does anyone actually care about this then? Does anyone actually care if a batman cape goes stiff on a 15 year old game?
When I get a card, I want it to work with my entire library of games, not just the latest titles. But as I said hardware physx doesn't work properly as it is in a lot of those old games. I replayed Cryostasis a few years ago and just turned it off. Awesome game btw, very eurojanky but has a multi-layered story full of allegories that you have to think about carefully to fully understand. It's like a Russian folk tale turned into a game.
 
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moonbogg

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More permanent harm to the graphics card pricing? The window keeps shifting.
I've been curious for years now what people's limits are. For the first time ever, I've started seeing some Titan/90 class buyers finally declaring that they've had enough and aren't willing to pay $3000+ for a GPU. To be fair, only a few of those people seem to be out there while the rest of those buyers are still eager to spend whatever is asked of them. I think for 50% of the 90 class buyers to finally get priced out, the cards would have to be over $5000 and start approaching $10,000 honestly.
 
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Golgatha

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I've been curious for years now what people's limits are. For the first time ever, I've started seeing some Titan/90 class buyers finally declaring that they've had enough and aren't willing to pay $3000+ for a GPU. To be fair, only a few of those people seem to be out there while the rest of those buyers are still eager to spend whatever is asked of them. I think for 50% of the 90 class buyers to finally get priced out, the cards would have to be over $5000 and start approaching $10,000 honestly.
I'll speak for myself only. I'm at the point where I'm priced out, but it's largely due to the lack of performance. If nVidia wants $3000 for a 5090, it needs to be nearly twice as fast as my 4090 because I paid $1600 for it. Now, as far as absolutely pricing me out, I'd say around $1000 max out of pocket when I sell my previous card, and even that's pushing it. And again, the performance uplift (defined as pure raster performance) needs to be AT LEAST equal to the extra money spent; ideally it would be much greater.

P.S. And I do get it, halo cards aren't all about best performance per dollar for a lot of folks. I personally can't justify buying a terrible value card every two years though.
 

moonbogg

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I'll speak for myself only. I'm at the point where I'm priced out, but it's largely due to the lack of performance. If nVidia wants $3000 for a 5090, it needs to be nearly twice as fast as my 4090 because I paid $1600 for it. Now, as far as absolutely pricing me out, I'd say around $1000 max out of pocket when I sell my previous card, and even that's pushing it. And again, the performance uplift (defined as pure raster performance) needs to be AT LEAST equal to the extra money spent; ideally it would be much greater.

P.S. And I do get it, halo cards aren't all about best performance per dollar for a lot of folks. I personally can't justify buying a terrible value card every two years though.

Yeah I understand this. I'm just curious what the price has to be before these things stop selling.
 

Golgatha

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Yeah I understand this. I'm just curious what the price has to be before these things stop selling.
Well, at least 5 people can afford the 5090 in the KC Metro area, but that's all they shipped to our local Micro Center. Maybe 25 if you combine this with all the Best Buys around the area.
 

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10+ min video with blatant clickbait title, top pinned comment says "Support the Independent Journalism", ending with - "now to be clear I have no information from any sources that this is what AMD is going to do, and I have no idea if they do such a thing".
they already said they won't do it
 

Jan Olšan

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Can we expect Nvidia to ditch ray tracing support down the road like they did PhysX? Wasn't PhysX supposed to be the future of realistic gaming where it only got better as time went on? I think ray tracing is just a gimmick to sell Nvidia cards and give themselves an unfair advantage, just like PhysX was.
Ray tracing is part of DirectX, it's not going.

What could disappear one day is proprietary features. For example support for adaptive refresh on the G-Sync (not using FreeSync/VESA Adaptive-Sync standard) monitors, or the DLSS 3-based frame generation, because it uses non-standard blackbox fixed function hardware that Nvidia might one day choose to remove from new GPUs.
 

Jan Olšan

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isn't this based on Tensor cores now? not the optical flow accelerator.
Exactly, that kinda tells you the optical flow accelerator could get deprecated, then dropped.
It's a question if the game's implementations of DLSS 3 will get updated - IIRC it should be possible, so perhaps this could be "bridged" over. Other stuff possibly not. The PhysX thing is kind of weird because it seems to be a purely software driven feature removal. They are unwilling to port some libraries or add a wrapper. I guess the problem is that the 32code is not in their drivers/DLLs, but in the games, so it is not just recompiling (and fixing, since it is old code) something they got code for.
 

Aapje

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Yeah I understand this. I'm just curious what the price has to be before these things stop selling.

There is no realistic limit where sales go to zero. Musk would still buy it if it costs $10 million. Sales just go down as the price increases.
 

jpiniero

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Exactly, that kinda tells you the optical flow accelerator could get deprecated, then dropped.
It's a question if the game's implementations of DLSS 3 will get updated - IIRC it should be possible, so perhaps this could be "bridged" over. Other stuff possibly not. The PhysX thing is kind of weird because it seems to be a purely software driven feature removal. They are unwilling to port some libraries or add a wrapper. I guess the problem is that the 32code is not in their drivers/DLLs, but in the games, so it is not just recompiling (and fixing, since it is old code) something they got code for.

You can override DLSS 3 games to use the new model at the driver level. So presumably a product which doesn't support the OFA will just use the new model for DLSS 3 games without any option.
 

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