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Golgatha

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I happened to have some time this morning and was curious about PhysX performance with cards other than the 3050. Since I have a recently acquired 5070 Ti, I put a few configurations together and ran some Batman Arkham City benchmarks. I have a GT 1030, RTX 4060, 5070 Ti, and 4090 in the mix. The rig is the 9800X3D system in my signature.

PhysX set to high, VSync disabled, and 1440p resolution, but otherwise left everything at stock. Unfortunately I couldn't install a dedicated PhysX card with the 4090 due to its size. I ran each configuration twice to ensure results were within margin of error territory. My theory was that a 1030 GT would be sufficient to offload the PhysX, but clearly that wasn't the case. Also, I was very surprised to see the 5070 Ti + 4060 configuration beat my 4090 overall!

4090, no dedicated PhysX


5070 Ti, no dedicated PhysX


5070 Ti, GT 1030 dedicated PhysX


5070 Ti, RTX 4060 dedicated PhysX




 
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^^^ THIS is why I love the community here!

Clearly even a 1030 helps a lot too vs. no dedicated PhysX card.

Additional data if possible. Can you check how much the 1030 and 4060 were being utilized as shown in GPU-Z or Windows Task Manager?
 

Golgatha

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^^^ THIS is why I love the community here!

Clearly even a 1030 helps a lot too vs. no dedicated PhysX card.

Additional data if possible. Can you check how much the 1030 and 4060 were being utilized as shown in GPU-Z or Windows Task Manager?
For real and I think one would notice a 43 FPS dip during a playthrough, where 80 FPS min is still silky smooth all the time.
 

coercitiv

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Very interesting find, and it relates strongly with the choices made by the poster in that reddit thread: the GT 1030 was considered but ultimately RTX 3050 won as being the safer choice with more compute muscle. Turns out it was a better choice.
 

Golgatha

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Very interesting find, and it relates strongly with the choices made by the poster in that reddit thread: the GT 1030 was considered but ultimately RTX 3050 won as being the safer choice with more compute muscle. Turns out it was a better choice.
Yes, I'm convinced by my data that the GT 1030 doesn't have enough muscle for the task. I just happened to have it around and figured something was better than nothing, and it definitely was. It shows how much offload from the CPU it takes too. Batman Arkham City recommended a RX 460 for a dedicated PhysX card, and the RX 460 totally annihilates the GT 1030 in gaming, so the PhysX performance outcome is pretty expected in hindsight.

Edit: Given the lack of support for the RX 460, the safer buy is a 3000 or 4000 series for dedicated PhysX going forward. But boy, $150-300 for a handful of titles is a lot of money, but I guess a drop in the hat if you're rocking a 5090.

 
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Mopetar

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Nvidia with their BILLIONS can't support 32-bit code anymore? Nope. They just don't want to. For whatever reason. It's them giving the middle finger to gamers. That's all.

So that's why 3050 6GBs are going up in price! The high rollers aren't content with overpaying for RTX 5090s they also want a side piece.

Tinfoil hat time. This was done intentionally because JHH needed a reason to prevent used cards from flooding the market and competing with the new 5000-series cards.

Also when the 5090 invariably catches fire, it will take out two cards and now the owner will have an opportunity to save more.

AMD will try to follow this, but being a generation behind on this tech will have to ship customers a book of matches to play with.
 

blckgrffn

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I went to Microcenter today for a bundle.

While there, I saw a short line forming. Maybe 7 people behind a blue tape line on the floor. This was about 2:40.

I asked an associate what was up. He said “We might be releasing 50 series cards at 3”

“Might be?”

“Yes.”

So I asked my daughter to look at computer cases and I stood in line. One guy already had a 5080? Anyway, dude comes out at 3 and says they’ve got two 5090s and some 5070ti. First two guys hustle off with associates and the guy is like “anyone here for anything but the 5090?” Everyone ahead of me grumbles and I say I am down for whatever they’ve got, and ask which model. He tells me we have to go to the back and he’ll bring it out. It’s an Asus model.

“Is that an MSRP model? I know it was an Asus model that was?” ( I might have bought this.)

“No, let me bring it up on the computer. We had like two total of those come in that were $900 but on “on sale”, I thinks this is $999.”

Yep, it was the TUF2 model so I turned it down and my daughter and I walked out with a case, a 9700x bundle and some power strips

I thought the “we had like 2 of those total” was exactly what we had suspectd.

The two guys walking around clutching their 5090s looked super excited and they were Gigabytes, so they might have been MSRP models. I would have been excited too.
 

MrTeal

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I went to Microcenter today for a bundle.

While there, I saw a short line forming. Maybe 7 people behind a blue tape line on the floor. This was about 2:40.

I asked an associate what was up. He said “We might be releasing 50 series cards at 3”

“Might be?”

“Yes.”

So I asked my daughter to look at computer cases and I stood in line. One guy already had a 5080? Anyway, dude comes out at 3 and says they’ve got two 5090s and some 5070ti. First two guys hustle off with associates and the guy is like “anyone here for anything but the 5090?” Everyone ahead of me grumbles and I say I am down for whatever they’ve got, and ask which model. He tells me we have to go to the back and he’ll bring it out. It’s an Asus model.

“Is that an MSRP model? I know it was an Asus model that was?” ( I might have bought this.)

“No, let me bring it up on the computer. We had like two total of those come in that were $900 but on “on sale”, I thinks this is $999.”

Yep, it was the TUF2 model so I turned it down and my daughter and I walked out with a case, a 9700x bundle and some power strips

I thought the “we had like 2 of those total” was exactly what we had suspectd.

The two guys walking around clutching their 5090s looked super excited and they were Gigabytes, so they might have been MSRP models. I would have been excited too.
I ordered an MSRP PNY 5070 Ti for CA$1090 from Best Buy on launch day. It's now delisted and the page shows product not found. The only 5070 Ti's BB Canada still has listed at $1320 and $1350, so $230 and $260 over MSRP. They obviously have the flexibility to move prices down if they need, but at least at the moment "MSRP" is just a marketing gimmick.
 

blckgrffn

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I ordered an MSRP PNY 5070 Ti for CA$1090 from Best Buy on launch day. It's now delisted and the page shows product not found. The only 5070 Ti's BB Canada still has listed at $1320 and $1350, so $230 and $260 over MSRP. They obviously have the flexibility to move prices down if they need, but at least at the moment "MSRP" is just a marketing gimmick.
Glad you got one at MSRP though! Nice work!
 

Win2012R2

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So unified single install Nvidia drivers will support 32-bit Physx for older cards whilst at the same time not supporting it for 50 series in the same machine, how is that physically possible?
 

NTMBK

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They're not CUDA. They're HLSL/GLSL.

CUDA is shipped as a PTX intermediate representation, similar to how HLSL ships as an intermediate representation (soon to move to SPIR-V). They could absolutely support it on newer hardware if they chose to.
 
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