Looks like all the Blackwell talk have got the 4090 founders back in stock at MSRP. (at least time of writing)
Looks like all the Blackwell talk have got the 4090 founders back in stock at MSRP. (at least time of writing)
Yeah, everything today is already AI enabled. Oh wait...Ooh... maybe AI hype is finally cooling off.
Oh no. The AI hype must be slowing down.Looks like all the Blackwell talk have got the 4090 founders back in stock at MSRP. (at least time of writing)
NV will still make money hand over fist.Oh no. The AI hype must be slowing down.
Poor Jensen.
Hopefully, not for long.NV will still make money hand over fist.
NV will still make money hand over fist.
And even then, the public should lose interest once it becomes obvious that ChatGPT and it's ilk are going to be censored to uselessness.
LLMs have been around for a while - they've just gotten bigger. Most researchers now categorize current AI as 'weak AI'. It's really just more advanced ML with more depth, nodes and larger input and output (verification) databases. So, the Hype Machine™ is in overdrive - because it will drive stock prices and investment more than anything else. This is really all backend stuff right now and more nascent than anyone will admit. The migration towards the client side will take allot longer before it is actually more useful than traditional algorithms. Ultimately, all the building blocks are in place to make a substantial change to computing over the next 3 to 5 years. Getting in now, for those handful of companies, is key to becoming part of that future. All IMHO.Problem is, the actual substance behind AI might only be a handful of companies who can make their own chips. And even then, the public should lose interest once it becomes obvious that ChatGPT and it's ilk are going to be censored to uselessness.
They really must be scared somewhere in there.Jensen is doing a keynote on June 2nd, the night before Computex. I assume this is mainly to mess with AMD over AI AI AI... but I could see some gaming products announced too.
You probably meant "AIX", RT is such a limited way to look at graphics these days.Not even joking that I am almost expecting them to call Blackwell Gaming "RTX AI"
You probably meant "AIX", RT is such a limited way to look at graphics these days.
AI has been part of RTX branding from the original presentation in 2018NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang to deliver keynote on June 2nd, right before Computex - VideoCardz.com
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Jensen is doing a keynote on June 2nd, the night before Computex. I assume this is mainly to mess with AMD over AI AI AI... but I could see some gaming products announced too.
Not even joking that I am almost expecting them to call Blackwell Gaming "RTX AI"
I still have no idea why people think Blackwell is rushed. Based on what? Nvidia has presented and released every two years for ages now.They really must be scared somewhere in there.
First that ridiculous article trying to pan MI300X that got a serious backslap from AMD.
Second rushing Blackwell out to respond to MI300X.
Now trying to do the same thing they did with FSR 3, release DLSS 3.5 early to get people away from looking at AMD.
Something at Nvidia is stressed out. And I suspect it's Jensen and the brass.
Worded that wrong.I still have no idea why people think Blackwell is rushed. Based on what? Nvidia has presented and released every two years for ages now.
Panic response? A year later?As for DLSS3.5, its not like fsr3 is not a response to DLSS 3 (makes more sense to me to call that the panic response but you do you) in the first place, thats how progress works.
Oh no, we're starting to enter into the NV mind worms.Ray reconstruction is so different from anything AMD offers even now that what you are saying makes no sense to me.
No idea where you got that fantasy and I said nothing of the sort.To be honest, I eally don't get the overall idea behind how incompetent Nvidia is assumed to be but not usually proven to be. Kind of how Ada Lovelace was also rumored to be a late release and Nvidia was said to be struggling to get MCM woking at all, unlike AMD or even Intel for that matter
Its not a fantasy, its everywhere. 'The next gen gaming is delayed, but RDNA5 is a year early'. '4090 will b slower and use 600W despite having more SM than RDNA3'. We'll be lucky to get 30% out of next gen. Happens all the time.Worded that wrong.
The Blackwell announcement is rushed. MI300X comes out Jan 2024, Blackwell gets announced late Q1, while the release is probably for more than 6 months later and volume in 2025.
They aren't rushing Blackwell's development, but they're definitely aggressively trying to get people's attention away from MI300X.
Panic response? A year later?
Or you mean the announcement was ridiculously early?
Oh no, we're starting to enter into the NV mind worms.
"rrrrrrrrrrrrray rrrrrrrrrreconstruction" is a fat joke where NV took a handmade denoiser and replaced it with an AI denoiser.
It's not magical, it's not highly efficient (actually like most AI stuff it is highly INefficient) and broadly speaking is a nice to have, at best.
I'm not going to entertain a conversation that starts with "ray reconstruction is so different from anything AMD offers". Might as well argue philosophy with a cow.
No idea where you got that fantasy and I said nothing of the sort.
Seems to me like you're spending too much time listening to Nvidia propaganda.
RDNA 5 is not a year early.Its not a fantasy, its everywhere. 'The next gen gaming is delayed, but RDNA5 is a year early'.
RDNA 3 tops at 96 CUs.'4090 will b slower and use 600W despite having more SM than RDNA3'.
What "all the time" are you even on about?We'll be lucky to get 30% out of next gen. Happens all the time.
Oh my Lord. Where to begin.As for fsr3, it took many months before it actually appeared anywhere, much more likely to be a panic respons than ray reconstruction.
Literally any current high quality denoiser. As I said, AI denoising has nothing extraordinary.What's the AMD equivalent? Make it make sense.
Literally responded to everything you said, despite you making little to no sense in that tangled narrative of yours. While you write stuff like:All you are doing is hur durr propaganda, Nvidia sucks.
Good that you enjoy yourself, if only I could say the same talking to you.But that's what to expect when this thread is so inferior to the RDNA 4 thread. I honestly enjoy goin through it.
Worded that wrong.
The Blackwell announcement is rushed. MI300X comes out Jan 2024, Blackwell gets announced late Q1, while the release is probably for more than 6 months later and volume in 2025.
They aren't rushing Blackwell's development, but they're definitely aggressively trying to get people's attention away from MI300X.
What tangled narrative? Which AMD denoising? Hand crafted denoising techniques have existed before and online you can see the ones AMD and Nvidia show off. DLSS 3.5 is just a continuation of Nvidia research to offload onto AI as usual and asserting 5 times that it exists because of FSR3 which is nothing like it is not a good case for your assertionRDNA 5 is not a year early.
RDNA 3 tops at 96 CUs.
4090 has 120 SMs and can go to 600W.
And the last time anyone said RDNA 3 would beat Lovelace was over 2 years ago, so maybe mend that record and stop repeating yourself?
There isn't a person that's saying RDNA 3 as is is beating Lovelace since it has the wattage problem that it has. RDNA 3.5 could probably do it but it'll only go into APUs that top at around 40CUs, so who cares what it could do?
What "all the time" are you even on about?
Oh my Lord. Where to begin.
One, FSR 3 was announced a whopping entire year before, so there is definitely no panic there.
Two, it came out in 2 test games pretty much immediately, almost unexpectedly, and didn't start being commonplace in more games until several more months because AMD used these two games as a beta. It came out with unfinished frame pacing and several VRR problems, and that got fixed over the next 2-3 months. That's called an open beta. Nothing panicky about it.
Three, FSR 3 responded to nothing specific at the time. DLSS 3 had come an entire year prior. Whether they responded with an open beta in September or a final product at the end of December didn't change anything, they were a year behind either way.
"Ray Reconstruction", that meme, was announced and released out of nowhere a month after the FSR 3 beta/first outing. It was unfinished as well, which is not common from Nvidia. AMD doesn't care about releasing unfinished software, as their "finewine" reputation says. They just fix the thing over time. Nvidia likes their image of all their stuff being perfect and The Best no matter what. It's strange that Nvidia would release RR in an unfinished state. It's strange that they would release it at all, when there were no promises to keep, no announcements prior, nobody expecting it. And it's strange that they would release it when people started asking interesting questions, like:
- why "can't" DLSS 3 work on Ampere but FSR 3 can, and isn't doing any worse than on Lovelace?
- why is DLSS 3 needing that "bespoke Lovelace hardware" but FSR 3 runs on every single card from AMD or Nvidia?
So before they had to answer those questions, they released their AI denoiser early to keep people looking away from their lies, and to not give AMD any attention. Same as they did with Blackwell announcement as MI300X starts getting bought here and there.
Literally any current high quality denoiser. As I said, AI denoising has nothing extraordinary.
I'm not the one that needs to start making sense here.
Literally responded to everything you said, despite you making little to no sense in that tangled narrative of yours. While you write stuff like:
"What's the AMD equivalent to denoising" and I respond...denoising.
Good that you enjoy yourself, if only I could say the same talking to you.
Are you roleplaying Solid Snake and repeating my question, or just not worth the time I spend responding to you?What tangled narrative?
Any high quality denoiser.Which AMD denoising?
"Hand crafted denoising techniques"Hand crafted denoising techniques have existed before and online you can see the ones AMD and Nvidia show off.
Ok you are apparently unable to follow so I will make it simple:DLSS 3.5 is just a continuation of Nvidia research to offload onto AI as usual and asserting 5 times that it exists because of FSR3 which is nothing like it is not a good case for your assertion
It's not 2025.RDNA 5 if it comes it in 2025 is early. AMD is not in the current habit of releasing a gen after 1 year and the rumors that say its coming out i 2025 pretty much boil it down to RDNA 4 being a stop gap. So that means AMD is then rumored to do two gens in 2 years. Pretty impressive if true, but harder to believe for me than that Nvidia is needing to rush out Blackwell for consumers to lanch in 2024, after 2 years since they launched Ada Lovelace, despite them consistently delivering a new gen every 2 years or less.
So if people insist that there will be 2 AMD gens in 2 years but Nvidia needs to delay one GPU gen to 3 years at the same time, its pretty weird.
You need something substantial to enter your head alright.But same exact rumors happened 2 years ago. rtx 40 was rumored late and rx 7000 was rumored early.
"Same as they did with Blackwell announcement as MI300X starts getting bought here and there." Looking at AMD sales forecast and what Nvidia does all the time, you need something more substantial to convince me
What did I just read?that Nvidia continuing their modus operandi of announce HPC now, release months later just before announcing gaming is any different from 2 years ago which I already stated they did the exact same thing.
"muh benchmark thing is the only thing that matters"Maybe if the sales were triple what I am expecting from AMD or there were MLPerformance benchmarks showing any need to panic I might be more convinced.
Like English?I am just rejecting some ideas we don’t share
I don't really care to convince you, you can spend your entire money in Nvidia cards for all I care., like how they can’t even get a GPU gen out the door in the usual time (or are too greedy to do so). I guess you don't like arguing with me to convince me that's the case. Tough cookies.
Yeah Jensen would jam up a GPU in everyone's arse if he could and make them pay for it for the rest of their lives..If you had any doubt what the focus of Blackwell is going to be...