Discussion Nvidia Blackwell in Q1-2025

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Mopetar

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I will probably get a 5090, it’s going to be a lot in Canada bucks though. I figure $3K. The 4090 was $2300 here at launch.

At least we won’t have to deal with tariffs like in the US, if the cards are imported directly here, rather than through the US.

Doubtful there will be tariffs with TSMC building plants in the USA now.

For that kind of money it might just be cheaper to drive across the border and buy it in the states.
 
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Win2012R2

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He was talking bout the AI chips and not the gaming ones.
Yeah, true, still - power of Nvidia brand is huge and Blackwell will certainly have a few new shiny things to sway away a lot of people - pathetic RDNA4 effort and zero public roadmap FTW will only make it worse this time around.
 
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More price rumors:

NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090 and GeForce RTX 5080 expected pricing surfaces online. Both models are rumored to cost around $2,600 and $1,370, respectively.

The other article on WCCFTech said $1500 for the 5080. Wouldn't be surprised.

 

jpiniero

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The other article on WCCFTech said $1500 for the 5080. Wouldn't be surprised.


Probably an AIB card. Regardless of whatever the official MSRP is, there's going to be cards well above that.
 

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Very tight control over perf leaks - a week to go and no hard info on 5090 perf?
Actual launch will be later, 5080 will be first, and CES presentation slides are probably only sent out at the last minute, too.

More price rumors: (...)

The other article on WCCFTech said $1500 for the 5080. Wouldn't be surprised.
Probably an AIB card. Regardless of whatever the official MSRP is, there's going to be cards well above that.
$1199 was the launch price of the 4080, so I fully expect Nvidia to command at least a little more for the 5080.
MSRP will most likely be in the $1299-1399 region, with 1499 not entirely out of the question.
And 2499 or 2599 for the 5090.


As much as I want to be wrong, my hunch tells me the most successful card this gen (from both IHVs) will be the 5060 Ti 16GB for presumably $499.
It'll probably get close to 4070 perf in raster, will be a bit faster in RT and have 16GB, so even if the 9070 offers better value for money, many people will go with Nvidia, which will be all to happy to sell a ~180mm2 128bit chip at that price point.
Sad times.
 

Win2012R2

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Probably provided the OEMs with some driver that can only run a particular boring application or game to confirm that it's working.
Still, all things considered it is vewy vewy quiet...

Not even a fake made up peep from MLID, would have checked RTG but can't stand that liar's vewy annoying voice at all ...

Actual launch will be later, 5080 will be first, and CES presentation slides are probably only sent out at the last minute, too

Prices are the last minute that's for sure, but they must be loading them up fully to test cooling and that means stuff that involves path tracing like CyberPunk 2077
 

Josh128

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yeah but you get brand power by building the goddamn chainsaw and AMD always refuses to do that.
They dont refuse because they dont want to, they refuse because they cant. 6900XT was a valiant, maximum attempt at it, a great GPU in (IMO) the best and most competitive series AMD has produced in the last 15 years. It still only tied 3090 in raster, lost badly in RT, and had similar /maybe slightly better power efficiency. All this with essentially a 3/4 node advantage (against Samsung 8). When on level playing ground, this gen, Nvidia closed the door on them in every aspect. Nvidia's tech is a full generation ahead of their best, it is what it is.
 
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People forget that GPUs is ALL that Nvidia does. AMD's Radeon group doesn't have an R&D budget like them and can't obviously afford the best of the best hardware and software engineers like Nvidia. Considering all that, it's amazing what AMD manages.
 
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Win2012R2

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AMD's Radeon group doesn't have an R&D budget like them
They are getting some of that juicy AI money now, some of it ought to be invested into consumer graphics division rather than banked and spent on buying companies.

Somehow it never matters when Radeon is ahead though.

They were crap at ray tracing and lacking "tensor" cores - granted in my view all current ray tracing is crap (at least when doing 4k native rendering), but who wants to buy something that is a lot worse than the alternative even if it's somewhat cheaper? This pricing strategy of NVIDIA-- is idiotic and AMD's marketing is a joke in the first place - they are crap at doing presentations, unless hardware is so amazingly better than the alternative (ie server processors)
 

gdansk

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that is a lot worse than the alternative even if it's somewhat cheaper?
In a workload that 4 years later is still sideshow and slideshow outside of two (2) games which require it. And somehow Navi 21 still manages RT in Indiana Jones as well as the 3080 (because Nvidia skimped on memory as usual for the model that was actually reasonably priced).
 
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somehow Navi 21 still manages RT in Indiana Jones

id Tech engine innit

Machine Games studio are very competent and they had to target consoles that are weaker RT wise than Navi 21, I have not played yet the game fully (waiting for 5090), but it does look nice and quick, however not sure RT is really playing that huge role there, but again, I have not played in full yet, reserving the judgement - one thing is for sure: it's quick!
 

biostud

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How much of the price jump has to do with with TSMC monopoly/capacity, and how much has to do with with AI craze, meaning they can't sell at a price that will undermine their AI business and how much has to do with lack of competition?
 

Golgatha

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Eh, you can by not buying their cards as they gain worse and worse value or price/perf every generation.
The price to performance ratio has stagnated. The 5090's performance has theoretically increased by roughly 50-70% and I expect the price to be $2499, so a 56% increase over the 4090. With no competition at this tier of hardware and limited stock (because you know they'll use most of the cores for higher margin AI cards), nVidia can get away with this stagnation.

Now, If I'm dead wrong and the price is $1999, I'd buy one on release day, but only because I could sell my 4090 to make of most of the difference. I love computer graphics more than most, but $2000+ is too rich for my blood, as I won't make enough time to enjoy the purchase over its lifetime anymore.
 

Golgatha

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In a workload that 4 years later is still sideshow and slideshow outside of two (2) games which require it. And somehow Navi 21 still manages RT in Indiana Jones as well as the 3080 (because Nvidia skimped on memory as usual for the model that was actually reasonably priced).
Random comment, but I've always thought that a theoretical 3080 20GB or 24GB would have been the next 1080 ti in terms of usability 5 years down the line.
 
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