Discussion Nvidia Blackwell in Q1-2025

[SolidQ]

Black frames?

another black frames?

 

[tajoh111]

Far cry 6 scales like piss.

The difference in performance between a RTX 4090 vs 3090 in Far Cry 6 was only 40% at 4k with ray tracing. So a 30% increase in performance in a game that scales poorly with an even more powerful GPU should not be a surprise.

 

[Win2012R2]

Far cry 6 scales like piss.

Scales fine as long as you've got fast CPU and running 4k - in my 4090 and 7800x3d equivalent it is GPU limited, looking at CPU it could have easily done 50-60% more, as long as GPU could manage it, but clearly 5090 can't hack it that good.

 

[beginner99]

Black frames?

good find. and if that is in the official marketing slides shown at CES, I have my doubts that it will work well in fast paced games especially shooters, the games that actually need high fps in contrast to say Civilization series that can be playable at 30 fps.

 

[mzocyteae]

What is the 2nd thinnest 5090 card? (minus 360 AIO which has compatibility issue for my chasis)

 

[gdansk]

What is the 2nd thinnest 5090 card? (minus 360 AIO which has compatibility issue for my chasis)

The 2 slot FE isn't thin enough for you?

 

[mzocyteae]

The 2 slot FE isn't thin enough for you?

I assume that FE is very difficult to buy.

 

[gdansk]

I assume that FE is very difficult to buy.

So it will be. SFF people are insane. But it's probably the answer.
Maybe buy a new case, it'll be cheaper.

 

[Win2012R2]

Can't wait to hear how MLID explains away that 5090 isn't 50-60-70% faster in proper non-fake frame stuff

 

[SolidQ]

Lmao with RTX hair looks worse, but people will eat this marketing

 

[del42sa]

Can't wait to hear how MLID explains away that 5090 isn't 50-60-70% faster in proper non-fake frame stuff

MLID gonna pull a raju barry and say he was right by going back several months to an offhand comment he made in one of his hour long videos

series of videos will just vanish

 

[Gideon]

Never mind the fake-frames Nvidia actually has quite some interesting tech this gen.


Reflex 2 is actually some asynchronous re projection that warps the frame with updated mouse input just before render (something similar to what's done in VR)

NVIDIA Reflex 2 Introduces Frame Warp

Reduces latency based on the game’s latest mouse input.

www.nvidia.com

Transformer based DLSS looks to really improve on the "blurryness" issues (just look at the Horizno comparison)

Neural rendering is also quite interesting and Nvidia will certainly be pushing it hard:

NVIDIA RTX Neural Rendering Introduces Next Era of AI-Powered Graphics Innovation | NVIDIA Technical Blog

NVIDIA today unveiled next-generation hardware for gamers, creators, and developers—the GeForce RTX 50 Series desktop and laptop GPUs. Alongside these GPUs, NVIDIA introduced NVIDIA RTX Kit…

developer.nvidia.com

 

[Win2012R2]

"The RTX Neural Shaders SDK enables developers to train their game data and shader code on an RTX AI PC"

Back to DLSS 1 - needs training...

 

[Ranulf]

Black frames?

another black frames?

What am I missing in first comparison?

Also, the guy in that office was just working late that one night but not the next.

 

[Win2012R2]

Mega Geometry sounds very good too - might finally make Unreal Engine 5 faster, but will take years for new games to support it, might as well wait and get 6000 series when they fixed it and make a lot better.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Mega Geometry sounds very good too - might finally make Unreal Engine 5 faster, but will take years for new games to support it, might as well wait and get 6000 series when they fixed it and make a lot better.

I'm pretty sure Nanite already does meshlet combination already.

 

[SolidQ]

What am I missing in first comparison?

Cup
Doomguy from announcement trailer

Doomguy from fakeframes

 

[Gideon]

"The RTX Neural Shaders SDK enables developers to train their game data and shader code on an RTX AI PC"

Back to DLSS 1 - needs training...

Well DLSS was an upscaling tech that needed to work with the entire game. Those shaders are only needed for some specific shaders (effects) in some fixed parts of the world, so not entirely the same.

 

[eek2121]

If the 5090 is indeed a 2 slot card and if it is at least 40% faster (without DLSS/FG) than the 4090, they are going to get my money again even though I told myself I wasn’t going to upgrade. 🤣

 

[MoogleW]

good find. and if that is in the official marketing slides shown at CES, I have my doubts that it will work well in fast paced games especially shooters, the games that actually need high fps in contrast to say Civilization series that can be playable at 30 fps.

With reflex 2 its probably not bad

 

[PJVol]

To me the current nvidia marketing is so annoying, being essentialy the good old Bernays style propaganda, in part based on Pavlov reflex - to keep repeating RT.. RT.., and now AI... AI...
Lol

 

[CakeMonster]

Disappointed in raw specs on everything but the 5090, but what seems to be improved image quality with DLSS2 upscaling and FG is a win, because people will use those more and more (upscaling practically becoming the standard). Can't wait to watch DF put the image quality to the test. AMD might be perpetually behind on this if true.

Also, the slides and what they call DLSS now ('DLSS4' seems to mean just combing all the previous + multi frames?) are confusing and frustrating.

 

[eek2121]

To me the current nvidia marketing is so annoying, being essentialy the good old Bernays style propaganda, in part based on Pavlov reflex - to keep repeating RT.. RT.., and now AI... AI...
Lol

It is, and Jensen is a total nerd, but you can’t argue with the results. Their FE cards specifically are the best GPUs out there. My 4090 is whisper quiet in all except the most demanding stuff.

 

[CakeMonster]

What is the 2nd thinnest 5090 card? (minus 360 AIO which has compatibility issue for my chasis)

I'm looking through various vendors now, the thinnest I've found so far is:

asus tuf 5090: 348x146x72
asus ast 5090: 358x149x76

msi vent 5090: 325x139x67
msi trio 5090: 359x149x70
msi supr 5090: 359x150x76
msi vang 5090: 357x151x76

 

[jpiniero]

Far cry 6 scales like piss.

Marketing being marketing, they are going to use the best case or close to it.