Discussion Nvidia Blackwell in Q1-2025

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MrTeal

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Switch 2 Techs Specs.
Tensor Core seems from ADA, but 2 RT cores?
Where is that from? I'm trying to wrap my head around what a T239 Ampere (RTX 20 series) means. 3rd Gen Tensor is Ampere, but what's with the T designation and RTX 20 description.
 

Mopetar

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Wrong, GB202 is the chungusest chungus ever, the first 512b NV part since GT200 too.

What I mean by this is that Nvidia doesn't need to release a more cut down GB202 to slot in against some hypothetical AMD GPU that beats GB203. Instead they can charge what they want for the 5090 and let the 5080 be a full die GB203 instead of having to use a more cut down GB202 die.

The 5090 is the only card that looks like a significant upgrade because it's the only one that has to be. The rest of the product stack can be stagnant or sold on new shiny RT/DLSS technology as opposed to better hardware capabilities.
 

CakeMonster

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IIRC there was some debate about the Ada design when it released, and that NV 'just to be sure' threw a lot of L2 at it combined with N5/4 to match any competition, that would use the same node. Maybe as they settled on the final Blackwell design they figured that there was no need at all to add to that, probably the competition situation looked very different during Ada design compared to BW design. They're acting more like the NV we know this time around.
 

Heartbreaker

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What I mean by this is that Nvidia doesn't need to release a more cut down GB202 to slot in against some hypothetical AMD GPU that beats GB203. Instead they can charge what they want for the 5090 and let the 5080 be a full die GB203 instead of having to use a more cut down GB202 die.

The 5090 is the only card that looks like a significant upgrade because it's the only one that has to be. The rest of the product stack can be stagnant or sold on new shiny RT/DLSS technology as opposed to better hardware capabilities.


IMO, if AMD did make a bigger die to beat 5080 (GB203), NVidia could and mostly likely would just ignore it. It's not stealing NVidias Halo spot, it's probably not going to sell well for AMD, because it will NEED to be expensive, but still not Halo. Everything is even more against AMD in that spot. Which is why they probably didn't push that far this time.
 
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moonbogg

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I'm surprised the performance increase seems so small. Didn't the 50 series have big increases in RT and AI hardware? Modest shader increases so maybe weak raster uplift, but for some reason I got the impression that there would be HUGE RT uplift. Maybe I fell victim to marketing at some point.
 
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moonbogg

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no. RTRT is very incremental outside of 2x the tri-rate (not the limiter) and GEMM cores just support new numerics.

I see. I also noticed they are actually lying about multi-frame gen being able to work only on the 50 series. Do they honestly expect the world to believe that the geniuses who innovated their way towards, and invented modern A.I., simply cannot envision a way to get their gaming gimmick to work on very similar 40-series hardware? I find it odd that they can be so brilliant as to single handedly usher in this new technological era defined by countless techno-miracles, yet find it technologically impossible to get their gaming gimmick to work on my 4070Ti super.
Is it legal and OK for a company to willingly lie to customers and everyone else? I know they have no obligation to provide this feature to 40 series, but don't they have an obligation to be honest and simply say they want to reserve this feature as a selling point for their new products?
When they say it simply cannot work on 40 series, I do not believe them.
 

SiliconFly

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I see. I also noticed they are actually lying about multi-frame gen being able to work only on the 50 series. Do they honestly expect the world to believe that the geniuses who innovated their way towards, and invented modern A.I., simply cannot envision a way to get their gaming gimmick to work on very similar 40-series hardware? I find it odd that they can be so brilliant as to single handedly usher in this new technological era defined by countless techno-miracles, yet find it technologically impossible to get their gaming gimmick to work on my 4070Ti super.
Is it legal and OK for a company to willingly lie to customers and everyone else? I know they have no obligation to provide this feature to 40 series, but don't they have an obligation to be honest and simply say they want to reserve this feature as a selling point for their new products?
When they say it simply cannot work on 40 series, I do not believe them.
I'm more interested in the new Super Resolution, Ray Reconstruction, DLAA & Reflex 2 than MFG. And all these are coming to the 40 series. So, basically don't care about the upcoming 50 series. Not really a must have. DLSS4 MFG isn't that useful.
 

Win2012R2

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Mid 2026 might be on cards if AMD gets serious about next gen - which they ought to be and pull all the stops
 
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