Discussion Nvidia Blackwell in Q1-2025

[Heartbreaker]

Mid 2026 might be on cards if AMD gets serious about next gen - which they ought to be and pull all the stops

People say this stuff but it's near impossible to significantly pull in these kinds of schedules. The timelines for the next gen are likely already mapped out, and what AMD does or doesn't do won't have a significant impact on them.

If AMD drops something unexpected early, all that NVidia would change is the timing and composition of the 50 series Super cards.

 

[jpiniero]

Does anyone know what process next gen would be (Rubin)? 2nm?

N3P probably, maybe N3X. N2 no.

As you see with this, I'd expect die sizes to remain constant or smaller. Except for the xx2 model which could be bigger as it is not quite at the reticle limit.

 

[SiliconFly]

Does anyone know what process next gen would be (Rubin)? 2nm?

N3. N3P mostly.

 

[SiliconFly]

People say this stuff but it's near impossible to significantly pull in these kinds of schedules. The timelines for the next gen are likely already mapped out, and what AMD does or doesn't do won't have a significant impact on them.

If AMD drops something unexpected early, all that NVidia would change is the timing and composition of the 50 series Super cards.

5090 still has plenty of headroom. They can always release a 5090 Ti, if needed.

 

[CakeMonster]

Nodes are increasing in price and complexity, NV wants fat margins, the competition is in tatters... I have no idea how anything could point to them suddenly changing their ~24+month schedule that's been in place for a long time.

 

[adroc_thurston]

the competition is in tatters

Oh but they aren't, which is why NV keeps shipping the ever bigger halo stick.

 

[SiliconFly]

Oh but they aren't, which is why NV keeps shipping the ever bigger halo stick.

The competition is in shambles. That's why they're stuck in low-margin mid-tier. They suck big time.

 

[adroc_thurston]

The competition is in shambles. That's why they're stuck in low-margin mid-tier. They suck big time.

wrong

 

[SiliconFly]

wrong

Nope

 

[gdansk]

Will the RTX 5070 have worse performance per watt than the RTX 4070 Super?

 

[jpiniero]

Will the RTX 5070 have worse performance per watt than the RTX 4070 Super?

Definitely possible.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Will the RTX 5070 have worse performance per watt than the RTX 4070 Super?

Does kind of look that way. I assume you posed the question because they appear to have similar performance, and the 4070S is 220W card, and 5070 is a 250W card...

They are probably pushing the 5070 clocks to make up for the missing Shader Cores.

 

[Heartbreaker]

The competition is in shambles. That's why they're stuck in low-margin mid-tier. They suck big time.

This is shaping up to be a decent AMD release from my perspective. I wish I could have held out for another generation (I got a 4070). Good chance I would have got a 9070 instead of 5070.

 

[branch_suggestion]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1880150793938170209

https://twitter.com/x/status/1880150801596969263

 

[SiliconFly]

Most of us already know by now that the 50 series doesn't bring that much raw performance uplift to the table (except for top end). Funny thing is, once the flood gates open, there's gonna be frenzy. People are gonna go swamp every retailer that carry RTX 50 series GPUs and it'll be sold out in seconds. Followed by shortages, demand, scalping and the usual drama. Nvidia is gonna make a boat load of money imo.

This is shaping up to be a decent AMD release from my perspective. I wish I could have held out for another generation (I got a 4070). Good chance I would have got a 9070 instead of 5070.

I have 40 series too. And I'm not upgrading. See no reason. All I need is a (dlss4) driver update and I'm good to go for another 2 years at least.

As a general rule, anyone who already has a 40 series, I think there's no compelling reason to upgrade to 50 series anytime now.

(Edit) Note: I'm not sure whether it's kinda okay to say stuff like this in this thread. Mods might think I'm anti-vendor (I'm not). If any of you feel what I said in this post doesn't play well with this forum/thread rules, please lemme know and I'll edit the post to make it right.

 

[MrTeal]

LOL... From a major Canadian retailer.


At current exchange rate, 1000USD = 1450 CAD.
Let's go, only a 50% price increase over my 4 year old 3080 but it should be at least 50% faster at 1440p.

 

[jpiniero]

FWIW Wikipedia claims the 50 Series Laptops GDDR7 runs at 25.4 gbps. Which is a bit closer % wise than the 40 Series.

 

[RnR_au]

Eh?



Who is doing the jebaiting?

 

[gdansk]

Who is doing the jebaiting?

I wonder if "Jayztwocents" knows the 5090 is not to the 4090 as the 5080 is to the 4080S. The 5090 is the only significant upgrade in the line up and possibly the worst example to extrapolate from.
He must know it. It's his job.

 

[PJVol]

Who is doing the jebaiting?

This doesn't matter much for those who end up being jebaited.

 

[Ranulf]

I wonder if "Jayztwocents" knows the 5090 is not to the 4090 as the 5080 is to the 4080S. The 5090 is the only significant upgrade in the line up and possibly the worst example to extrapolate from.
He must know it. It's his job.

Uh, its Jay. He told people to buy up 3090's at $1200 before the crash. Then walked it back then forward again when prices did indeed go up as supply dried up a few months later. Like normal. Sucks though if you lost out on $200-300 when they dropped a month after his advice.

He also drilled a hole in a mobo once hoping it would still work. It didn't but clicks I guess.

Also Jay vs GPU fix, with Rossman watching in horror. Good comedy at least and clicks for all.

 

[Win2012R2]

https://videocardz.com/newz/custom-geforce-rtx-5080-and-rtx-5090-pricing-emerges-made-for-gamers-with-deep-pockets

3k EUR for 5090 custom "OC edition" - 21% VAT.

Would have been (maybe) ok if it was double real perf of 4090...

 

[PJVol]

3k EUR for 5090 custom "OC edition"

What a steal!

I wonder what's behind the worst value of the x080 skus last two gens?

 

[Heartbreaker]

You basically need to camp out for FE cards at Best Buy if you want to pay MSRP.

 

[Win2012R2]

I wonder what's behind the worst value of the x080 skus last two gens?

First working AI said to invest more money into it and then shut off.