Discussion Nvidia Blackwell in Q1-2025

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Golgatha

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yea it is, new microarch smells.
For what it is, it's priced as a halo product adding zero performance per dollar spent compared to the 4090. If you want the absolute best, at least it's not a negative performance per dollar situation. That said, it really needs a die shrink to 3nm to get the thermals and power usage under control IMO. The added power draw and thermals are extremely off-putting to me at least.
 

Golgatha

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Not even that it’s also bad at video editing/exporting. Those new media engines are either unoptimised or not good
I think it's immature drivers all the way around. nVidia should have postponed this launch it seems. I would theorize nVidia was worried about tariffs making the value proposition negative and rushed the launch.
 

adroc_thurston

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Those new media engines are either unoptimised or not good
Probably driver issues (kek).
For what it is, it's priced as a halo product adding zero performance per dollar spent compared to the 4090.
Would've been fine if the perf uplift was at least noteworthy. alas.
I think it's immature drivers all the way around. nVidia should have postponed this launch it seems. I would theorize nVidia was worried about tariffs making the value proposition negative and rushed the launch.
Mind you, it was already postponed from Q4'24.
 

CastleBravo

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I feel very vindicated in my previous assertion that the 5090 exhausting its heat upwards directly into the CPU cooler was a horrible design decision. A 575w TBP video card should exhaust out the back of the case, full stop.

I predicted it would be a disaster for air cooled CPUs, but I suspect the overwhelming majority of 5090 buyers are going to be running a liquid cooled CPU, and there will be plenty of AIB options for people that do run an air cooled CPU, so overall I still like the FE cooler design. The lower models like the 5070 will likely be paired with air cooled CPUs far more often, but hopefully the lower power draw won't make it as big of an issue.
 

Golgatha

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Mind you, it was already postponed from Q4'24.
Which means it was so un-ready for prime time before the prime buying season holidays, nVidia felt PR fallout would be so negative that the Sales boost for 2024 wasn't worth it. Highly likely the stock they were able to produce was also insufficient since stock even now is abysmal. Probably both.
 

Golgatha

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The liquid is still gonna heat up and make the AIO fans work harder and noisier.
Personal preference of mine, but I see AIOs as a potentially catastrophic point of failure for a very expensive piece of electronics, and often a good air cooler will outperform them anyways. But then, I engineer my machines to continue running at 100% CPU utilization with or without all my fans being operational, so there's that.
 

CP5670

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I saw the GN and TPU reviews. Seems 30-35% faster at 4K, but not any more so with RT. The Cyberpunk improvement is excellent and more like 50%, but I have already played that a lot and won't be returning to it, and it's less impressive in other games. There are still a number of games like Black Myth Wukong where the RT performance is weak even with the 5090. This says more about the game and its ultra settings than the card. I really don't like the heat output either in both idle and load. I'll probably skip it and am gaming less in general right now, but if my 4090 sells for around what I paid, I might consider it.

The FE is going to be nearly impossible to find and the AIB cards are all well over $2000, even the cheaper ones. The MSI AIO card is $2400, and tax+scalpers will easily push that to $2700-3000. An AIO is highly preferable to avoid dumping 575W into the case.
 

Timmah!

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The FE cooler is a joke with those temps. I would've been surprised as heck if both those temps had been under 80C with a two slot design and so much heat to dissipate.

Really no sympathy for the folks who pay for this crap.

That RAM is like the 3090 issue all over again. They forget so easily, their past "adventures".

This could be the first time that a previous gen card's prices go up!
I think it was given it will cool worse than massive 3+ slot AIB cards. The allure of the design, aside of the lower price than AIB, that you can fit the card in the small case, or potentially can have 2 of them, which is rather difficult to do with those 3 and half inch cards, even if you have big-tower. I shall know, i have 2x4090 like that and had to really consider case size, mobo layout and which particular models to get, to fit them both.

I remember geforce gtx590 had vapor chamber cooling, and was rather "small" at the time, compared to massive radeon 6990 or whatever was it competing against. Safe to say, i recall the temps of the GPUs getting up to 90C :-D
 

Golgatha

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So just the case fans blowing the needed air while the CPU fan only kicks in at like 90C?
More along the lines of at 100% CPU utilization, if a case or CPU fan fails (at least 2 of each type are installed), the CPU might run slightly hotter or even thermal throttle (I set the motherboard to throttle at 90°C in both of my signature's systems), but I'll get a warning and maybe lower performance until I can correct the hardware failure. In the case of my home fileserver, it has an extremely large heatsink with no fan on the CPU (5700X @65w) and the CPU can run at 100% with zero case airflow; at an elevated temperature of course.

Edit: I also use solid graphite based thermal pads for the CPU TIM, so cooling is always consistent and there are no worries about thermal pastes migrating, drying out, etc.
 
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