Discussion Nvidia Blackwell in Q1-2025

[TESKATLIPOKA]

limited how, is there some game which will not work?
you want let say 64GB on GPU just buy workstation card no one stopping ppl wanting to brag how their cards have lots of GPU ram

I clearly said limited to 8GB in laptops, so why are you bringing workstation card to this debate?
I already showed proof above that 8GB is not enough even today.

Here is a comparison from Spiderman 2 I posted in another thread.

Models	1080p RT Off Average FPS	1440p RT Off Average FPS	2160p RT Off Average FPS	1080p RT Off Minimum FPS	1440p RT Off Minimum FPS	2160p RT Off Minimum FPS
4060Ti 16GB vs 8GB	90.8 vs 79.4 (+14.4%)	63 vs 52.6 (+19.8%)	33.2 vs 26.5 (+25.3%)	67.4 vs 56.2 (+20%)	46.9 vs 37.4 (+25.4%)	20.4 vs 15.8 (+29.1%)

Models	1080p RT On Average FPS	1440p RT On Average FPS	2160p RT On Average FPS	1080p RT On Minimum FPS	1440p RT On Minimum FPS	2160p RT On Minimum FPS
4060Ti 16GB vs 8GB	49.5 vs 40.2 (+23.1%)	33.1 vs 27.2 (+21.7%)	17.5 vs 14.2 (+23.2%)	31.7 vs 27.2 (+16.5%)	21.3 vs 18.1 (+17.7%)	9.9 vs 7.9 (+25.3%)

 

[blckgrffn]

I clearly said limited to 8GB in laptops, so why are you bringing workstation card to this debate?
I already showed proof above that 8GB is not enough even today.

Here is a comparison from Spiderman 2 I posted in another thread.

Models	1080p RT Off	1440p RT Off	2160p RT Off	1080p RT Off minimum	1440p RT Off minimum	2160p RT Off minimum
4060Ti 16GB vs 8GB	90.8 vs 79.4 (+14.4%)	63 vs 52.6 (+19.8%)	33.2 vs 26.5 (+25.3%)	67.4 vs 56.2 (+20%)	46.9 vs 37.4 (+25.4%)	20.4 vs 15.8 (+29.1%)

Models	1080p RT On	1440p RT On	2160p RT On	1080p RT On minimum	1440p RT On minimum	2160p RT On minimum
4060Ti 16GB vs 8GB	49.5 vs 40.2 (+23.1%)	33.1 vs 27.2 (+21.7%)	17.5 vs 14.2 (+23.2%)	31.7 vs 27.2 (+16.5%)	21.3 vs 18.1 (+17.7%)	9.9 vs 7.9 (+25.3%)

So you think we all need 128GB cards then? What is this, 2040?!?!



Personally, I like comparing the 4060Ti 16GB to the 2080Ti which is a favorable matchup. Its pretty remarkable that this much performance comes in a tidy little low power package, I don't think anyone would scoff at a 2080Ti even at this late juncture. If the 5060Ti could compare favorably to the replacement it never got, the 3070 Ti 12 or 16GB, I still think this is good and extremely useful levels of performance. Comparing it to the 3080Ti is likely going to be a bridge too far given that the Blackwell seems to be a bit of a architectural dud. Had it been on target, that might have been very possible.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

So you think we all need 128GB cards then? What is this, 2040?!?!

And this is supposed to be what? Sarcasm?

edit:
Ok, looks like that.
I don't need 128GB card, I would be content with 24Gbit modules for laptops.
So a next year Blackwell refresh most likely.

 

[jpiniero]

https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-5060-ti-16gb-3dmark-performance-leaks-out

Videocardz claims it has 3dmark 5060 Ti 16 GB benchmarks. It averages 20% faster than 4060 Ti 16 GB but still 30-40% slower than the 5070.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-5060-ti-16gb-3dmark-performance-leaks-out

Videocardz claims it has 3dmark 5060 Ti 16 GB benchmarks. It averages 20% faster than 4060 Ti 16 GB but still 30-40% slower than the 5070.

I will add to It.

	Speed Way (1440p)	Steel Nomad (4K)	Port Royal (1440p)	Time Spy(1440p)	Time Spy Extreme (2160p)	Fire Strike (1080p)	Fire Strike Extreme (1440p)	Fire Strike Ultra (2160p)
RX 4060Ti	100%	100%	100%	100%	100%	100%	100%	100%
RX 5060Ti	125.2%	117.8%	122.6%	114.3%	116%	119.3%	122.7%	125.8%
RX 5700	177.4%	164.2%	172.3%	215.7%	173.5%	167.1%	180%	194.8%

Time Spy(1440p) looks wrong, RTX5070 is too fast, but others are also looking too high.
As for the 5060Ti? Hard to tell from those scores, the range is +14.3-25.8%. The not so big increase could be attributed to lower increase in TDP, supposedly only 180W, which is only 15W(9%) more, but we need gaming results.

 

[Tup3x]

Considering my RTX 3060 Ti gets about ~13K points (GPU) score in Time Spy, after five years this is pretty pathetic.

 

[MrTeal]

Considering my RTX 3060 Ti gets about ~13K points (GPU) score in Time Spy, after five years this is pretty pathetic.

Well yeah, but you had to pay $380 for your 3060 Ti. Now you'll probably be able to buy an 8GB 5060 Ti that's 14% faster in TS for the low low price of $380.

 

[techjunkie123]

Hey those leather jackets don't pay for themselves you know ......

 

[Tup3x]

Well yeah, but you had to pay $380 for your 3060 Ti. Now you'll probably be able to buy an 8GB 5060 Ti that's 14% faster in TS for the low low price of $380.

14% for the same price after five years... No one is really going to even notice the difference.

It was actually 559,90 € in 24% VAT. Felt pretty bad back then but it has lasted quite long. This was one of the most over engineered 3060 Ti's out there with 250W power limit and obviously whisper quiet.

 

[Golgatha]

No one, no one, should even look at the 8GB 5060 Ti.

 

[reb0rn]

youtubers cry, why he also do not cry at rx 9060 8GB, with both company you have both option in this segment

 

[gdansk]

youtubers cry, why he also do not cry at rx 9060 8GB, with both company you have both option in this segment

Why cry about something that won't sell millions? Cry about something people buy.

 

[Ranulf]

youtubers cry, why he also do not cry at rx 9060 8GB, with both company you have both option in this segment

I'm sure many will when the card comes out or we have more data leaked or released. If they don't call them out on it. I know many will here and they should.

 

[DaaQ]

Was 3070ti 8 GB only? thought that was 3070 and Ti got more? Brain fog here.

 

[eek2121]

Are you seriously basing the actual performance on Geekbench?
There is no reason why the gain should be any lower than what RTX 5070 has over RTX 4070( +25% at 4K TPU).
Actually, It should be even higher, because 4060Ti was BW starved.

P.S. Ok, If they don't increase TDP(TBP), then performance increase could be worse than expected

I trust (older) geekbench versions for a lot of things, but measuring GPU performance isn't one of them.

Ok, 5070 saw a 21% increase at 1440p, but don't forget 4060Ti was BW starved.
Despite having 42% more Cuda cores and much higher TDP than RTX 4060, It was only 26% higher performance at 1440p(TPU).
5060Ti has 56% higher BW thanks to GDDR7.
So It should provide higher increase than what we see with RTX 5070 unless low TDP increase.

It will be interesting to see It battle against 9060XT, although Nvidia should be faster both in Raster and RT.

Release is within a week, so we will see how It actually performs.

Absolutely TERRIBLE assumptions. Even games don't scale with more cores beyond a certain point. There is quite a bit of evidence that indicates that bandwidth is NOT an issue. Lack of VRAM can be. Poorly optimized games/game engines CAN be. You'd have to show me an actual test that shows bandwidth usage for me to believe that. I've worked extensively with OpenGL and DX3-11 along with some DX12 and Vulkan stuff, and I know what I saw writing code. All of my work was done in native C or C++ btw, no engines involved.

NVIDIAs *90 series is faster, sure, but look at the power budget and increased VRAM.

I'm willing to bet (admittedly with no evidence other than profiling code) that games would see far more improvements with faster clocks over wider cores. AMD seems to be proving that so far. We'll see what happens long term.

 

[reb0rn]

AMD perf/watt is disaster for 9070xt I have no idea how you can even try to sat 5090 is worst

 

[gdansk]

AMD perf/watt is disaster for 9070xt I have no idea how you can even try to sat 5090 is worst

Check out this perf/watt difference.

Truly a disaster.

 

[reb0rn]

nice photoshop/cherry pick

 

[leoneazzurro]

Now do the 9070. Perf/W is an interesting metric, if you really are able to understand what the numbers and the market positioning mean.

 

[jpiniero]

I'm sure many will when the card comes out or we have more data leaked or released. If they don't call them out on it. I know many will here and they should.

That it's better to have more than 8 GB doesn't mean that 8 is completely worthless tho.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

That it's better to have more than 8 GB doesn't mean that 8 is completely worthless tho.

Price my good man, price. If the 8GB costs more than $250 it should be DOA. Obviously S.I.s will make big orders of them. The sooner little Timmy and Susie's parents have to buy them another "gaming PC" the better.

 

[GTracing]

Was 3070ti 8 GB only? thought that was 3070 and Ti got more? Brain fog here.

Yes, the 3070ti is only available with 8GB. The big difference is it came with GDDR6X. The 3070 non-ti only has GDDR6.

 

[GTracing]

nice photoshop/cherry pick

The irony is your screenshot shows an overclocked 9070 XT while every other card on that chart is stock. Who's cherry-picking now?

 

[Heartbreaker]

Official pricing announced for 5060/Ti:

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-announces-geforce-rtx-5060-ti-at-429-16gb-and-379-8gb-299-rtx-5060-launches-next-month

A more reasonable $50 to increase from 8GB to 16GB this time on the Ti.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

They won't be able to keep the 16GB version in stock.