Discussion Nvidia Blackwell in Q4-2024 ?

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MoogleW

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Kopite confirms this:

Also, 2-slot, 2-fan cooler? I understand that if it's got two through-heatsink fans that it will be more efficient, but those fans got to be 140mm+ or something in order to be 2-slots thick and still dissipate 450W.

Kimi is not the only one saying Blackwell looks like Hopper and A100. I wonder if anything else from A100 and H100 has carried over.

Personally I don't believe GB202 will be 2 entirely independant GB203s in one silicon, but rather 2 mostly independent parts. Some parts may remain shared by the two halves, others may move to being controlled by individual GPCs if they are not already.
 

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After paying a scalper inflated prices for the 4090FE, I told myself I was going to wait to upgrade. However, if the dual slot rumor and performance rumors are true AND the card isn’t any louder than the 4090FE, I might upgrade.

Unfortunately, AMD won’t be a consideration for me until they can compete on the high end.

The 4090FE is an amazing card IMO. The best GPU I have owned.
 
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New rumor suggests that the 5090 will be cut down to 448-bit memory. That would mean you would get 28 GB. And with 28 gb GDDR7, that would give it a little more than 50% higher bandwidth.

Still expect it to be over 2 grand for it.
 
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coercitiv

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I really doubt the 2 slot rumor. It may be under 3 slots, but even with modern cooling advances it will still need some heatsink heft to dissipate over 300W.

Something has to give here, it's either 2.5+ slots or power comes down significantly.
 

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I really doubt the 2 slot rumor. It may be under 3 slots, but even with modern cooling advances it will still need some heatsink heft to dissipate over 300W.

Something has to give here, it's either 2.5+ slots or power comes down significantly.
Yep, the physics of heat transfer doesn't change by fiat. Surface area, coolant transfer rate, delta temp, energy/power. Fiddle with the parameters but those are the essentials.
 

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maddie

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2-slot... maybe if the whole things is made of copper. Which is VERY unlikely.
All copper does is get the heat to the cooling surface quicker/easier, you still have to have area for a given coolant flow.

Edit: With heatpipes embedded in modern coolers, I think copper will be of minimal value.
 

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New rumor suggests that the 5090 will be cut down to 448-bit memory. That would mean you would get 28 GB. And with 28 gb GDDR7, that would give it a little more than 50% higher bandwidth.

Still expect it to be over 2 grand for it.
Lol, of course Nvidia decides to gimp the memory bus so that the RAM increase is the smallest increment of gain over the 4090.
 

jpiniero

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Lol, of course Nvidia decides to gimp the memory bus so that the RAM increase is the smallest increment of gain over the 4090.

I was skeptical that was going to happen on the 5090, mainly because they should be able to use up the full dies on ProViz/AI.

Meaningfully more VRAM is only going to happen with 3 GB and up chips.
 
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Aapje

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We really need a proper leak/announcement from Samsung/Micron when those will come.
 

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The question with all of these heat sink rumors is whether the heat sink is actually intended for the consumer or the professional cards.
Pro cards will have a blower cooler, as always. So that it's possible to stack them
 

MoogleW

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I was skeptical that was going to happen on the 5090, mainly because they should be able to use up the full dies on ProViz/AI.

Meaningfully more VRAM is only going to happen with 3 GB and up chips.
Pro cards always have VRAM on both sides right of PCB right? So thos cards get 64GB (theoretically 96GB but I don't see it happening) for the rtx A6000 Blackwell.

In my opinion, limiting VRAM on 5090 sounds like a play for yields (or balancing power consumption) more than anything
 

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I really doubt the 2 slot rumor. It may be under 3 slots, but even with modern cooling advances it will still need some heatsink heft to dissipate over 300W.

Something has to give here, it's either 2.5+ slots or power comes down significantly.

Lots to be skeptical of with this round of rumors, that 2 slot cooler, and the biggest chip really being two smaller chips logically, but fabbed together as one big chip and then cut later if they need two smaller ones. That's completely backwards. They would want to do that the other way around. Fab the two chips individually and connect them later.
 

Aapje

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Lots to be skeptical of with this round of rumors, that 2 slot cooler, and the biggest chip really being two smaller chips logically, but fabbed together as one big chip and then cut later if they need two smaller ones. That's completely backwards. They would want to do that the other way around. Fab the two chips individually and connect them later.

I don't think that's what the rumors say or how it will work.

I think it's more to save design time and to gradually move to a MCM-ready design.
 

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In my opinion, limiting VRAM on 5090 sounds like a play for yields (or balancing power consumption) more than anything
It's a play for protecting their server and workstation cards to nerf the ability to use the consumer cards for AI/ML and other GPU compute loads. Memory capacity and bandwidth are the two biggest issues with LLM and similar AI workloads. It is the same reason it is low this generation, as well as last generation.
 
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jpiniero

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nVidia admits to Rubin, which goes to 12 stacks of HBM4. Also they are doubling the speed of NVLink.
 
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jpiniero

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Now kopite7kimi claims that GB203 is 7*6 and not 6*8. Also GB207 does not have 3 GPC, probably 2.
 
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After paying a scalper inflated prices for the 4090FE, I told myself I was going to wait to upgrade. However, if the dual slot rumor and performance rumors are true AND the card isn’t any louder than the 4090FE, I might upgrade.

Unfortunately, AMD won’t be a consideration for me until they can compete on the high end.

The 4090FE is an amazing card IMO. The best GPU I have owned.
The problem is the price. You could get more NVram, dual slot like pro cards, at a premium. For me USD 2k is the most I'm willing to pay
 
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