Discussion Nvidia Blackwell in Q4-2024 ?

[reb0rn]

Its not 16 pin is just 12 pin its melting even on 400-450W, what you think it would happen on 550W?!
only idiot would use and buy this shit, and who ever do it need to be institutionalized (I say it who never had ATI/AMD card!! only NV for past 26y)

 

[Fallen Kell]

And now what to do with 12+4 crap connector use 2x (how would you have 2 at all???) or 1 and have our homes burned down, I ask if there any sane journalist to address this and nvidia is put to stop with their insane crap?

Yeah, I don't know how there hasn't been a forced recall by the EU on this design. I mean, I understand there being nothing done in the good'ol USA because the consumer protections are a complete joke and multiple people need to die before they force a recall from here, property damage is just an issue for the consumer's insurance (or lack of it), nothing to do with the government...

 

[Heartbreaker]

Yeah, I don't know how there hasn't been a forced recall by the EU on this design. I mean, I understand there being nothing done in the good'ol USA because the consumer protections are a complete joke and multiple people need to die before they force a recall from here, property damage is just an issue for the consumer's insurance (or lack of it), nothing to do with the government...

All you have to do is push the connector in, until the locking tab clicks into place. Since this simple fact was widely disseminated, cases of melted connectors almost ceased to exist.

 

[gdansk]

So simple that they modified the connector. Early and late RTX 4000 series cards may even have different connectors.

 

[Hitman928]

NV and MSFT being sued for patent infringement. They are requesting an injunction to stop Blackwell sales until there’s a resolution. I don’t think anything impactful will come from this, but here’s the story.

[News] NVIDIA Sued for Patent Infringement, Asked to Halt Sales of Blackwell Architecture GPUs | TrendForce Insights

According to a report from The Register, DPU developer Xockets recently filed a lawsuit, accusing AI chip giant NVIDIA, Microsoft, and intellectual pr...

www.trendforce.com

 

[MoogleW]

NV and MSFT being sued for patent infringement. They are requesting an injunction to stop Blackwell sales until there’s a resolution. I don’t think anything impactful will come from this, but here’s the story.

[News] NVIDIA Sued for Patent Infringement, Asked to Halt Sales of Blackwell Architecture GPUs | TrendForce Insights

According to a report from The Register, DPU developer Xockets recently filed a lawsuit, accusing AI chip giant NVIDIA, Microsoft, and intellectual pr...

www.trendforce.com

The report highlights that Microsoft and NVIDIA may not be Xockets’ only targets but are at least the most profitable ones. Other companies, such as Broadcom, Intel, AMD, Marvell, Napatech, and Amazon, are also actively developing products similar to NVIDIA’s ConnectX, BlueField, and NVLink.

Everything that does anything to do with AI infringes their patents apparently.

 

[jpiniero]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-and-rtx-5080-specs-leaked

Kopite claims the 5090 will have the full 512-bit memory bus. So 32 GB of ram and more memory bandwidth. Also 600 W.

I bet the price will be decently more than $1999 then.

The 5080 is the full GB203 so at least it's more SMs than the 4080 Super. Also it's 400 W.

 

[SolidQ]

So 5070 is 12gb

 

[jpiniero]

So 5070 is 12gb

It's been known for awhile that the VRAM capacity is staying the same except for the 5090. Well, that and there's likely to not be any 5060 Ti 16 GB.

 

[Fallen Kell]

Yep, another stab in the back at the consumer market to prevent it from impacting anything on the server/AI market. Got to keep those cheap consumer cards from being able to cannibalize that AI training market segment.... I mean, they will get away with it this generation as well as AMD is not competing in the high end cards this generation and are focused almost entirely on the $400 and less segment (where the bulk of the sales occur anyway).

 

[jdubs03]

The fact that the 5080 has less than half the cores as the 5090 just rubs me the wrong way. At least keep the same ratio as the 4000 series (ideally give the 5080 some more, and buff the RAM too). Bollox move.

 

[jpiniero]

The fact that the 5080 has less than half the cores as the 5090 just rubs me the wrong way. At least keep the same ratio as the 4000 series (ideally give the 5080 some more, and buff the RAM too). Bollox move.

This might end up being branded the 5090 Ti. You'd almost have to expect that it'll be priced like it regardless. Expect it to be at least $2500.

 

[Heartbreaker]

The fact that the 5080 has less than half the cores as the 5090 just rubs me the wrong way. At least keep the same ratio as the 4000 series (ideally give the 5080 some more). Bollox move.

The 4080 ratios didn't work out that well, so I think it actually makes sense to aim for a bigger drop. 5090 will likely be priced higher than 4090. People at this end of the market have shown they are relatively insensitive to pricing. This is just that bonkers part with little relation to the rest of the lineup.

But for the next step down people end up more price sensitive, and going over $1000 doesn't seem to fare well, as last generation 4080 originally did, so I expect the 5080 will be priced less, so a much better delta in pricing to match the bigger delta in peformance.

 

[blackangus]

so I expect the 5080 will be priced less

I was figuring the 5080 was going to take the 1500$ tier, which IMHO would be awful.
Especially if the 5090 is 2k or >.

 

[APU_Fusion]

The fact that the 5080 has less than half the cores as the 5090 just rubs me the wrong way. At least keep the same ratio as the 4000 series (ideally give the 5080 some more, and buff the RAM too). Bollox move.

But nvidia gets to sell the 5080ti and than the 5080 super. 3 wallet grabs

 

[Fallen Kell]

In reality it won't really matter a whole lot unless the 5080/5090 can truly do 4k gaming at 100+ fps with ray tracing and without using DLSS upscaling techniques...

 

[MrTeal]

Coming September 2028

Why 8GB is plenty for the 6060 Ti at playable settings.

 

[Saylick]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-and-rtx-5080-specs-leaked

Kopite claims the 5090 will have the full 512-bit memory bus. So 32 GB of ram and more memory bandwidth. Also 600 W.

I bet the price will be decently more than $1999 then.

The 5080 is the full GB203 so at least it's more SMs than the 4080 Super. Also it's 400 W.

Wow, a 5080 that only still has 16 GB of VRAM? I have long since given up PC gaming as a hobby, but even I find this insulting. Also, according to Kopite, the 5080 has ~10.7k CUDA cores, so I don't expect it to be much faster than a 4090. What's the strategy here? Offer 4090 performance for $999 but with substantially less VRAM? I suspect there will be some new DLSS that goes hand-in-hand with the launch to market the 5080 as being able to punch above the 4090 in certain titles. I hope Tensor Memory Compression is one of them because 16 GB ain't going to cut it in 4K titles.

 

[jpiniero]

Wow, a 5080 that only still has 16 GB of VRAM? I have long since given up PC gaming as a hobby, but even I find this insulting. Also, according to Kopite, the 5080 has ~10.7k CUDA cores, so I don't expect it to be much faster than a 4090. What's the strategy here?

AI of course.

I'm going to guess it's going to be $1299.

 

[Saylick]

AI of course.

I'm going to guess it's going to be $1299.

Great, so the 5080 will be roughly 4090 performance with some new AI features thrown in that let's it punch above a 4090 on paper while only being a little cheaper and with 8 GB less VRAM.

Hurray for the consumer. /s

 

[jdubs03]

This is the result of having a monopoly on the high-end. With no competition they can charge whatever they want for less than imo the appropriate quality for the targeted product segment. The older xx80 series used to not be such a nerf relative to the xx90. Tbf they have typically had the succeeding xx80 SKU be about as fast as the preceding xx90. But the low RAM for the SKU is a slap in the face to people who want the next best but without a massive compromise. Sure they may do a 5080 Ti/Super with more but then yea more money like mentioned above.

 

[beginner99]

I was figuring the 5080 was going to take the 1500$ tier, which IMHO would be awful.
Especially if the 5090 is 2k or >.

I'm going to guess it's going to be $1299

Problem with these high prices makes it then difficult to price the 5070 Ti and the 5070. they then are either too expensive or too attractive in comparison. And if AMD can release n48 at $500 and beat a 5070, it gets even more difficult to justify the extreme high prices for a 5080 at least.

 

[KompuKare]

I was figuring the 5080 was going to take the 1500$ tier, which IMHO would be awful.
Especially if the 5090 is 2k or >.

I'm sure their strategy might to sell the real 5080 at $1500 with one added detail: they'll call it 5080 Ti!

 

[jpiniero]

Problem with these high prices makes it then difficult to price the 5070 Ti and the 5070. they then are either too expensive or too attractive in comparison. And if AMD can release n48 at $500 and beat a 5070, it gets even more difficult to justify the extreme high prices for a 5080 at least.

Say 5070 Ti is a deep cut GB203 for $999 and released a fair bit later and 5070 is $699.

I suspect N48 will be at least $449 and $549 unless it's terrible.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Great, so the 5080 will be roughly 4090 performance with some new AI features thrown in that let's it punch above a 4090 on paper while only being a little cheaper and with 8 GB less VRAM.

Hurray for the consumer. /s

I'm guessing $999, as going above $1000 seemed to be a big mistake for 4080 as it was the poorest selling 4000 series card.

If it came anywhere near 4090 gaming performance it would be a big boost in perf/$.