Nvidia cancer

[Powervr]

from pvr site

Well it looks as if Westwoods upcoming Renegade game has been totally optimized for NVIDIA based graphics cards. For what it is worth I think this is not good business and I think it is one more reason why I am staying away from all Westwood and Mad Onion products. If I am not mistaken, is not Renegade built upon a modified UT engine? Why would we need a performance analyzer for a game that is being SPONSERED by a figgin graphics card company. Sure I can see maybe Westwood and Mad Onion teaming up, but throwing NVIDIA into the fray just makes me shudder as it makes me wonder what is being done to game to make them MORE compatible with NVIDIA boards and less compatible with other boards. You have to know the analyzer will be pro-NVIDIA as they are in the business of selling video boards. Also, this makes me question the real motives of Mad Onion. Are they in fact a company that is impartial to graphics cards with their benchmarks. Seeing them teaming up with NVIDIA has me shaking my head. Oh well, what can we do about it!!!!!!!

If you want to try the performance analyzer out, hit this link at bottom of page. Just for the record my system scored 100%, which means the game will run just fine. But wouldn't you know it, it was recommended I buy a new video card and they were all NVIDIA based boards.

good old nvidia!
yapay here is a company that I would like to suport...
and I know that the new mx200 can beat easily the radeon 8500... yes I know....

 

[Leon]

<< If I am not mistaken, is not Renegade built upon a modified UT engine? >>



Yes, he is mistaken.

 

[Powervr]

"WELCOME TO WESTWOOD STUDIOS' PERFORMANCE ANALYZER
POWERED BY MADONION.COM
This service analyzes whether your system meets the game performance requirements for playing Command and Conquer Renegade. "

"software will automatically scan the user's computer to determine if it meets the minimum system requirements to play Renegade. The service then tells the user which compatible NVIDIA-based upgrades or new computers are the optimal solutions for an enjoyable gaming experience."

"

for good gaming experience only nvidia products...

this SUX!!! BIG TIME !!!!

more:

"In addition to offering computer upgrade recommendations, Westwood and MadOnion will also provide the user with basic tutorials on how to install new video cards and RAM. These tutorials and links are available"

how to install a nvidia board ?
lol
I don't know how to do that...


after I run the benchmark this are the answers...

your current system's performance is 1451% better than the minimum performance required for this game

100% score


"Your PC can achieve even greater gaming performance by upgrading to one of the following NVIDIA based display adapters, or you can choose to purchase one of the following new power gaming systems courtesy of BestBuy. "

ya..
Should I downgrade to a mx 400 ?
ya that would be relly cool... I am tired of 32 bits and higher resolutions or FSAA ... one more thing!!!
I really need bad quality 2d display...
ya
for those who will jump here defending their's nvidia card... your mission might be impossible...

 

[Powervr]

they are trying to take you from the decision of buying a new video card... they decide for you!!!
great!!!
a big thank YOU !!! to THEM !!!!

what MadOnion says about this:

"Now that ati can beat nvidia in 3dmark2k1, we must build a new 3dmark...
3dmark2k2"

 

[BFG10K]

Uh, what does this have to do with nVidia? Kirk didn't go to Westwood & Madonion and point guns to their heads to force them to only optimise for nVidia's boards.

If those companies chose to do that, it's their loss. It's nothing to do with nVidia.

 

[Powervr]

nothing to do with nvidia yeah right!

 

[BFG10K]

So because most software runs under Microsoft Windows does that make Microsoft evil?
Is Intel and AMD evil because most of the world's code executes in the form of x86 instructions?

 

[Powervr]

open your eyes man...

they said that my system was 1451% better than the minimum required and they said to upgrade to a nvidia card?
why not ATI?

why I have to buy a nvidia board?

$$$$$$$$$ is the answer....
it's nothing to do with windows or X-86
nvidia is getting to much power...

some day they might try deliberately... unsupport a video board...
of course only if they get $$$$$$ up their's ...

 

[Powervr]

they didn't said that it was incompatibile....
yeap
it runs on direct3d or opengl.

the problem is their's recomendations for more power...
only nvidia...that nvidia mx 400 recomendations is great... hilarious...

I would like that some of you with ati radeon 8500 test that pseudo benchmark...
please tell your's findings...

 

[BFG10K]

they said that my system was 1451% better than the minimum required and they said to upgrade to a nvidia card?

Who said that?

why I have to buy a nvidia board?

You don't have to, they just recommended it. If people in the forums recommend getting a Matrox card for someone who wants good 2D does that mean that Matrox is "getting too much power"? If they recommend a 3dfx card for Glide games is 3dfx "getting too much power"?.

No, it means that for the job it's probably going to be the best card. Likewise if Westwood optmised their engine for nVidia's cards then those cards will be the best for the job.

I'm not defending their decision to do this (frankly I think it sucks and they shouldn't do things like that). All I'm saying is that nVidia isn't "evil" because of it.

 

[Leon]

<< $$$$$$$$$ is the answer.... >>



Which brings us to the next point. Instead of whining, maybe PowerVR should design their own "performance analyzer", and partner up with Westwood.

 

[Powervr]

to leon :
I guess you don't agree with me... and you are one of those that want a nvidia world with 2000 us $ video boards for the elite..(preferebly with a 5 year cycle)


to BFG :
yah...
I am glad you agree with me...

who said that?
the performance analyzer said that after I run it....
find that on my previous link...

"No, it means that for the job it's probably going to be the best card. Likewise if Westwood optmised their engine for nVidia's cards then those cards will be the best for the job."

do you think that a geforce 2 MX400 is better than at radeon 8500 ?
I don't think so even if it's "optimised" for nvidia..

 

[Powervr]

3dmark IS the decision maker of most of video card boards buyers...

I guess they (madonion) are BIASED towards nvidia...

so I guess we must dump 3dmark series on the trash.... don't you agree?

 

[rbV5]

The GF3 ti500 is only 166% the of my Radeon 64DDR VIVO with that analyzer and +1232% for the minimum requirements. Doesn't exactly show my ATI card in a poor light to me. I'm having a hard time following your line of reasoning.

 

[nvwebmaster]

Just wanted to throw in a comment.

When a game runs better on an NVIDIA card, it does not mean the developers made the game to specifically run faster and better for one of our products. The fact is that NVIDIA is generally one of first companies to introduce new technology. The Geforce was the first card to introduce Transform and Lighting. We were the first to have DirectX 6, DirectX 7 and Direct 8 drivers for our cards. We were the first company to introduce a fully DirectX 8 complaint video card (the Geforce 3). For this and many reasons, many developers choose to use NVIDIA products when developing games. Because of this, it stands to reason that game will run best on video cards they were designed on which in most cases in NVIDIA. It has nothing to do with specifically making a game run better on our cards. Games are not "totally optimized for NVIDIA based graphics cards". Games are designed on NVIDIA cards and we work closely with developers to resolve any bugs which is why overall games run best on our products.

Powervr...if you came to visit our company, you would see that NVIDIA is not some evil company out to take over the world. NVIDIA is just a well run company with very dedicated employees who work hard because they take pride in their work and strive to make the best graphic products to bring the ultimate multimedia experience to the end user (sheesh, I am starting to sound like a press release huh)? Anyways, hope this clears up a few things.

Cheers

 

[EMAN]

Nvidia Webmaster

<< ultimate multimedia experience to the end user >>



I thought ATI did this. Nvidia in other hand bring you best performance in games.


As for this cancer thingy. 3dfx had it same way just like Nvidia does now.

 

[merlocka]

OGM, what a "much ado about nothing" LOL @ NVIDIA = CANCER.

It's just the nVidia analyzer from their website, repackaged. It even says "brought to you by nVidia" right on the front... what the heck do you think they are going to, recommend a Savage2000?

All this does is use 3dmark's ORB database to make a generalization about your computers performance based on the submitted results of 3dMark2k1.


they said that my system was 1451% better than the minimum required and they said to upgrade to a nvidia card?
why not ATI?

why I have to buy a nvidia board?

$$$$$$$$$ is the answer....
it's nothing to do with windows or X-86
nvidia is getting to much power...



If ATI had a nicely packaged tool like this and offered it to developers *before* nVidia did do you thing the developers would refuse? On second though, many fanboys here probably do think that.... It's just better marketing by nVidia, heck it's just Marketing 101. Get your name in front of the buyers, and make yourself be the standard.

I'll never understand all the bad blood towards nVidia, they have pushed product cycles and have raised the bar for desktop graphics as much as or more than any other company has.

Oh, P.S., my system with nVidia card performs at 2558% the level required to run this game

P.P.S. The above comment was a blatant stab at fanboys. I have owned just about every card made (with the exception of the R200, and I'll pick one up pretty soon) so I don't wanna hear about it.

 

[Killrose]

I just hope they don't try and take away my right to vote. I'm going to start sleeping with a garlic necklace.

 

[merlocka]

3dmark IS the decision maker of most of video card boards buyers

OEM CM's ARE the decision makers of most video card boards. In the grand scheme of things 3Dmark's influence is small.

I just hope they don't try and take away my right to vote. I'm going to start sleeping with a garlic necklace.

LOL!

 

[Sunner]

Lets face it, the company with the most cards in the market will get the most optimizations done for their cards.

Back in the day, the same optimizations were done for 3Dfx cards, the perfect example being the Unreal engine, it ran like absolute crap on everything but 3Dfx cards.
Now it's nVidia instead.

Should ATi surpass nVidia, you will eventually see them in the same position, its just the way it works.

 

[Crapgame]

Well to quell your fears for poor ATI suffering from this "cancer" , LOL , there's a tread at rage3d "Radeon 8500 General Discussion > hey my computer is 3875% better " . 8500 users arent getting an upgrade option , if you check a little further and click the more details button and it tells you what their baseline is, a PII 400 with a TnT2. Were you this outraged when Max Payne used 3D#s as a system spec or the gamer swaying ads for Falcon West* in 3D# (*do they still exist?). I really need to go to bed if Im making a reply to this......zzzzzz

 

[Auric]

Back in the day, the same optimizations were done for 3Dfx cards, the perfect example being the Unreal engine, it ran like absolute crap on everything but 3Dfx cards.

Not true. 3dfx cards were unable to show UT's potential. S3 stepped in with its MeTaL API including full color and high resolution textures via S3TC in addition to speed. I do not know where 3dfx Jonestowners get the notion that Voodoo was the ultimate UT card. What the krunk do you think the second disc was for - a beverage coaster!? Not until much later (arguably after the end of UT's saleable life-cycle) were other more powerful chips able to display the same quality and speed via OpenGL (3dfx not among them).

That said, it likely true that S3 helped pay for development just as 3dfx and PowerVR did. To 3dfx it was really a long-term plan from the beginning though.

 

[Powervr]

man for me it's not decent..
yap you are doing a nice job for nvidia... I agree, the problem is the guys who make software are entering a "forbidden zone" this is not ethical!

when they optimize for nvidia they will end up optimizing for every other card out there...(not exactly but most of the time)
I don't see any problem optimizing for the majoraty of people none whatsoever...

BUT when they recommend only nvidia cards I think I deserve to think like this!

they are a software company they don't sell hardware, and this is what they are doing...

I will not be surprised if the game comes with..
requires nvidia card to run...
similar with that old 3dfx logo...( in those days it would run with any tnt-1)


I was pro-tnt when voodoo2 was king...
I didn't like some of those 3dfx moves... well nvidia is not better...

 

[Sunner]

Auric, you are aware that there was a game called "Unreal" before UT, yes?

And that this game was virtually unplayable on non Glide capable cards for a long long time.

The UT engine helped quite a bit, but 3Dfx and S3 cards were still the best for it, and the S3 cards were good for the same reason as the 3Dfx ones, they used a properiarity API.

 

[EdipisReks]

powervr, the fact that you liked nVidia when 3dfx was in control and you are now harping against nVidia just shows how stupid you are. maybe in 5 years ATi will be in the position that nVidia is in now, and rest assured that ATi will do all the things that nVidia and 3dfx did. it's called trying to keep control of your market share. when ATi is going the same thing, who are you going to run to next? bitboys?! maybe you should think rationally just ONCE. i have yet to see you do it with any of your threads.

--jacob

p.s. Auric, as was said, there was no point in playing the original Unreal on anything but glide. however, it made sense as most serious gamers had a voodoo card of some sort when unreal came out.