Nvidia cancer

[HappyPuppy]

I ran the test with my Radeon 8500 and it's 2895% faster than required. I was given no option of buying an Nvidia card . The only option was to buy an Alienware system to increase my performance by 25%. My rig stats below.

ECS K7S5A
Tbird 1.4GHz @ 1.4GHz
Swiftech 462A HSF w/ Sanyo Denki screecher
512MB Crucial PC2100
Radeon 8500
TB Santa Cruz
Onboard NIC
3Com PCI Pro modem
Romtec Trios
3-IBM 60GXP 40GB HDD
LiteOn 16x DVD ROM
LiteOn 24x10x40 CDR/RW
3-Ultimate HDD Coolers
LianLi PC70 Case
2-stock intake fans bottom front
2-stock exhaust fans rear below PSU
2-Panaflo Hi exhaust fans rear above PSU
Enermax 431 watt PSU
Win98SE


If I were running an XP 1900+, Win2k and a motherboard that had more optimization settings I would crap all over the Alienware box. But why the hell should I upgrade when I can already run anything on the market?

 

[SCSIfreek]

one single company controlling major portion of a business is never good for us consumers. Microsoft is one example. Good thing AMD is here to compete with Intel else our processors will still cost $500+ a piece. Look what Nvidia did to the Video Card industry? couple years back video cards were at $150 <---top of the line. Nowadays its near the $500 price range. I'm glad ATI is still here to provide us with the Radeons. I won't want ATI to go down because with competition thing would only get better andd cheaper for consumers. Looks like Nvidia is handing money under the table to Westwood and Madonion. Softwares companies don't give recommandation or specify other company names unless they get paid for it. <---- there aint no free lunch er... advertising i meant.



--SCSI

 

[jbirney]

This is a grey issue for me. On one hand their results are not way off. My biggest problem that just scanning one resource is the wrong way to go. Even more that reason is a highly cusomized engine that only Max Payne uses. We all know that different engines behave differently under the same hardware. Then what about CPU limited games where the bottle neck is not the video card. Then we get into that fact that thier program is using 3dmark2001 results wich is not what that game was coded in (ie no DX8 functions that use pixel or vertex shaders as one example). There is a night and day differnece how some cards run 3dmark2000 and 3dmark20001 A closer test for the game would be 3dmark2000 scores.

I don't think Westwood ment to decive anyone.

 

[EdipisReks]

SCSIfreek the only $500 consumer video card you can get now is the ati radeon8500 DV. hell, geforce3 ti200's are less than $150. the whole $500 Geforce3 thing (in fact, i think it was just rumored price competition for the voodoo5 6000 ) never happened, as they retailed from the beginning at about $350 and dropped in price a lot almost immediately. i think that $350 was pretty reasonable for a card that had absolutely no competitors, and didn't get any competitors for almost a year. nVidia is well aware that they won't sell cards if they are really expensive.

--jacob

 

[Silan]

<< 3dmark IS the decision maker of most of video card boards buyers... >>




LOL, that is such BS. So what your saying that most ppl go out to buy a video card and don't care if the games they play work or run well on the new video card, they just hope that there 3mark score is high enough? You know maybe the gaming indrusty should put a mininum and recomended 3dmark score for there requirements instead of system specs.

 

[crash2much]

Why would anyone optimise for anything else?
Tribes 2 was patched to work with Voodoo 3's on up , yet ya can't play it on a Radeon 8500!
Giants was re-released optimised for Radeons(bundled software) and nvidia owners didn't whine.
As an owner of both, I can definatly see why developers would cling to nvidia, not because of poor quality of ATI's product, but ATI's horrid support of their very good products.
I have yet to find a game I couldn't play on my geoforce, I run into various problems with various games with Radeon(both 8500 and the AIW)
I couldn't give a rat's ass if games are optimised to run better on one card over another, though I'd love to see a couple games that used all the features of my card.

 

[merlocka]

Look what Nvidia did to the Video Card industry? couple years back video cards were at $150 <---top of the line. Nowadays its near the $500 price range

nVidia Geforce3 Ti 500 is $349 retail
nVidia Geforce3 Ti 200 is $199 retail
nVidia Geforce2 Ti 200 is $149 retail
nVidia Geforce2 MX400 is $ 99 retail
nVidia Geforce2 MX200 is $ 79 retail

ATI AIW 8500 DV is $399 retail
ATI Radeon 8500 is $299 retail
ATI Radeon 7500 is $149 retail
ATI Radeon 7200 is $ 99 retail
ATI Radeon 7000 is $ 79 retail

Hercules Prophet 4500 is $ 99 retail

These are all retail prices from Bestbuy / CompUSA for ATI, PNY, or Visiontek cards.

So now your $150 only gets you a Geforce2 Ti200, or a Radeon 7500... yup, those nVidia bastards really jacked the prices way up...

Oh, and 2 years ago on Christmas the top of the line cards were 3dfx Voodoo3 3500, nVidia Geforce256 DDR, Savage2000, and ATI Fury MAXX for (retail) $199, $299 ($249 after Xmas), $199, and i dunno how much the MAXX was.

Of course these are retail prices and, back then $100 could get you a Voodoo3 3000. OoooHHH. Now $100 can get you a Geforce2 Pro 64MB or a OEM Radeon 7500.

Yup, it's strong-arming at it's finest. *CONFIRMED*

 

[Innoka]

There is still strong competition in the graphics industry. I see that the best many can still say for ATI is that they provide a check to monopoly.

The GF3 Ti 200 is infinitely better than the GF2 MX and substantially better than the GF2 Ultra. And nowadays a $100 GF2 Ti can be run to ultra speeds with little bother. nvidia are providing the best driver support in the industry. Sounds pretty good to me.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

C'mon guys -

nVidia, ATi, and 3dfx b4 them paid game studios to optimize their games for their cards... That way, if a killer app came along, it immediately became a great "selling point" for their card. ST needs to spend a little more $$$ to have games studios pimp their products.

That is just the way that the game is played.

 

[Rankor]

<< Nowadays its near the $500 price range >>



I remember a time when a newly-released Voodoo 2 SLI went at around that much and more close to $600.

Don't approve of the practices of certain companies? Simple, don't buy them...don't buy C&C Renegade, don't buy Nvidia graphics-based boards.

 

[Daovonnaex]

I just did the test...I was close to 4,000% faster than required, and then it gave me options for slower things...what the hell?

 

[merlocka]

Is that with the 7500 and the P4 1.4 in your sig?

 

[BFG10K]

who said that?the performance analyzer said that after I run it....find that on my previous link...

And I know that you're smart enough to ignore it. Really, it's nothing more than marketing BS if it's telling you to upgrade a card that is scoring 1000% in the test. Pay no attention to it, just like I pay no attention to 3DMark.

do you think that a geforce 2 MX400 is better than at radeon 8500 ?I don't think so even if it's "optimised" for nvidia..

Of course not, but depending on how far they take this optmisation a Ti500 could be significantly faster than the 8500. I hope it doesn't come to that though, otherwise it'll be a throwback to the Glide days. Everyone has the right to enjoy games regardless of what video cards they choose.

 

[Daovonnaex]

<< Is that with the 7500 and the P4 1.4 in your sig? >>


Lol...of course not that one. I've just built another computer that has yet to be added.

 

[Shalmanese]

LOL, the analyser also requires IE 5 or higher, even microsoft is getting in bed with them!

 

[Daovonnaex]

<< LOL, the analyser also requires IE 5 or higher, even microsoft is getting in bed with them! >>

That has to do with ActiveX. You can use Opera 5 or higher as well, and I believe Navigator 6 (not sure, though).