nvidia=evil

[powervr2]

we must give a RED card to NVIDIA !!!

"We have stated it many times that NVIDIA pursues a strong-hand policy to make the partners be loyal to its chips. That?s one of the reasons why so few grand-scale manufacturers have decided to announce STM KYRO II graphics cards. Nowadays there are only four non-local-brand names contemplating to base their cards on the KYRO: VideoLogic, Hercules, InnoVision and Suma. Most other manufacturers are direct partners of NVIDIA and don?t risk to get out of touch with the graphics chip giant. In fact, their fear are not groundless at all. Lately we could?ve seen the deplorable fate of those who dare to violate the NVIDIA-only principle.
Here?s the first precedent. As we know, it was Hercules who headed the unfaithful movement. It announced a couple of graphics accelerators based on KYRO and KYRO II. Before that Hercules used to take NVIDIA?s chips only and even enjoyed the reputation of a reliable partner being one of the first companies to launch a GeForce3 graphics card. Apparently, Hercules thought that NVIDIA would think it a too serious firm to make rows with. Well, some time later the consideration proved false. Like a jealous wife, NVIDIA didn?t forgive Hercules? flippancy and crossed it out of the partner list. Formal exclusion was followed by pretty tangible material losses. NVIDIA stopped shipping its chips to Hercules directly. Of course, there were almost no troubles with buying the lower chips like the entire GeForce2 family ? they were free to get at the grey market (now Hercules resorts to this variant), but GeForce3 is not available there yet. Naturally, Hercules ran out of its GeForce3 supplies soon and in the weeks to come Hercules 3D Prophet III will stop shipping, as Reactor Critical reports.
Yet Hercules gives no official confirmation to these rumors, though it can be merely for the company?s apprehension to add oil to the burning conflict with NVIDIA. However, the fact is that Hercules risks greatly to lose the only product in its line which is targeted at high-performance gaming systems. Its only hope now lies with ATI which intended to provide the graphics card manufacturers with its not yet released RADEON 2. "

taken from:
xbitlabs

buy a radeon or kyro or whatever but you must not buy any nvidia product !!!
this is a evil company that must DIE !!!

 

[timsactown]

NVIDIA is Micro$oft in video card. :| :| :|

 

[Spix]

Powervr2 I'm beginning to think maybe Nvidia burned down your house or killed your dog or something, since you take every chance u get to hurt them.

 

[AppleTalking]

Oh nuts, I guess that means that the rumor posted here the other day was at least partially true.

If Hercules is going to be forced to discontinue their 3D Prophet III card, nVidia should go bankrupt and rot for their business practices. Kind of like Intel forcing motherboard manufacturers to take down the Via DDR balloons at the Computex 2001 conference. nVidia, Intel, Microsoft, why are all the major players so evil?

&quot;Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.&quot; <--- /me hopes that's true

Nick

 

[Rage187]

How the hell do you think they got to where they are today????

Playing nice??? Come on be realistic..


They are that big of a corporation BECAUSE of their business practices..


Don't down them for doing business..

 

[AppleTalking]

Rage187: I know that some companies have to be cutthroat in order to get where they are. But the fact that nVidia has to push other, smaller companies (like Hercules) around to stay on top is pathetic. If nVidia was such a great company, they wouldn't have to push people around to get them to stay away from their competitors. Rather, they would have superior technology that would make these manufacturers come to them in order to get it. I know the GF3 is a great card, but the GF2 GTS and GF2 Pro are being challenged by the Kyro II, both in price and performance. How does nVidia deal with this? Do they come up with a way to make the GF2 GTS and GF2 Pro cards more attractive, say by adding features to the drivers or to the cards themselves? No, they push board manufacturers around, saying &quot;If you don't stay away from the Kyro, we won't let you have any GF3 chips.&quot; I assume the same thing is going to happen once ATI starts selling its chips to third-party manufacturers.

nVidia is not alone. Look what Intel did to Via at the Computex conference. It's just a shame that corporations have to resort to strong-arm tactics rather than continuing to develop superior technology, that's all. If nVidia or Intel were clearly superior, they would have a large market share out of choice, not because of questionable business tactics.

 

[Killrose]

I guess Hercules will be making Cards based on the Radeon chips soon now that Ati is selling chips only.

 

[dfloyd]

Ok all you M$ haters out there I am not sure where you get your info. but IMO Intel is 100x worse for these type of tactics. Problem is Nivida has ALWAYS wanted to be the next Intel and it seems they are heading in that direction.

It is wrong imo and they should not do anything that prohibits competivieness as consumers will be the ones who suffer. They should be careful though as the lawsuit against M$ has died down (Yep Bill is shelling out the campaign contributions :Q) the men in black are going to have to find a new public enemey numero uno.

 

[pidge]

powervr2=woundednvidiachild,
You gotta learn how to control your anger.

Let me tell you this from a guy who is in the PC industry and has lots of friends in the PC industry. Every company does this. Even crappy companies do this. The reason why NVIDIA has become such a giant company is not because they treat companies differently depending on the loyality to them. It is because they continue to make the best graphic products in its class and continue being the most innovative company when it comes to video cards. When NVIDIA can not offer the best products, then the customers will go elsewhere and there is nothing that NVIDIA can do to stop that. Look at Intel vs. AMD. Intel failed on many occasions to give what the customers wanted, good pricing and performance. Results? AMD has taken a big chunk of the market share from Intel. The reason you don't see this kind of practice mentioned as often with little companies or smaller companies is because everyone likes going after the big companies. Its all part of business 101. They both go hand in hand. A company needs not only to be able to provide its customers with excellent products but good marketing people and a strong sales stategy to compliment them as well and help drive them to consumers, oherwise you become another 3dfx. Stop all this NVIDIA bashing and just go out and buy the video cards that best meets your needs whether its ATI, Matrox, Kyro or NVIDIA.

 

[Killrose]

Nvidia is lurking in anti-trust territory.

 

[Rage187]

I guess its a GF3 thing, you get all mad because it costs alot, and it is the best card out..

Go ahead, pick on NVIDIA I don't think they really care..

 

[vss1980]

I dont think anyone can doubt the achievements that nvidia have made.

However, their current attitude is not looking so good for the future.
They are still in a position where they are reliant on others and IF they do ever become a dominant force in than just chipsets, they have just started to make and will have made many enemies.

Nvidia want to be like Intel? Well, I dont see a lot of love for Intel on these forums or from the reports coming from the floor of computex.

Also, historically I think nvidia really have a thing against PowerVR. After all, the Series 2 chip was chosen over any other offering from nvidia for the Dreamcast and if the PC Series 2 chip came out when it should have (the Neon250), we would have had TNT2 performance and features 1 year earlier. I personally believe its these reasons that nvidia are so scared of the competition from PowerVR and ATI.

 

[vss1980]

Almost forgot completely about ** this **.

That came out some time after 3dfx went down, and the thread title just reminded me of it.

 

[richleader]

Of course NVdia is scared, so's everyone else, it's a risky business. Such is life, and it will all work out for us consumers, unless we get paranoid like some of the posters here and quote flakey articles.

 

[pidge]

<< Nvidia want to be like Intel? Well, I dont see a lot of love for Intel on these forums or from the reports coming from the floor of computex. >>



You are comparing the present Intel, not the older always hit the mark, always had the superior product Intel. In the past, I remember there were a lot more Intel fans than AMD. AMD fans were very much a minority, even though Intel was doing the same business tactics that they are now. Intel had many loyal customers back then. Then the Athlon came out and Intel signed on with Rambus. That is when everything changed. It wasn't because of Intel's business practices necessarily. It was because they weren't offering much better products than their competitors like they did in the past.

 

[Dark4ng3l]

Bah we all know that nvidia and intel are evil. If they werent M$(the king of all evil) would not have chosen their parts to use in their pure evil console the xbox.

 

[Killrose]

Haha...funny and a good point Dark4ng3l

 

[powervr2]

&quot;Every company does this. Even crappy companies do this.&quot;
Not like nvidia I am afraid...

if nvidia guys get what they want (100% monopoly of videocards, they are allmoust there) what we will get is not a new revolutionary product every 6 months... it's a 2 year cycle product with a BIG PRICE TAG with it...

 

[richleader]

&quot;if nvidia guys get what they want (100% monopoly of videocards, they are allmoust there) what we will get is not a new revolutionary product every 6 months... it's a 2 year cycle product with a BIG PRICE TAG with it...&quot;


You can't seriously believe that? Ati isn't going anywhere, and even if they did, Nvidia knows that a stagnant market would kill them and the game companies that fuel their product development. Your rhetoric was boring when it was new, now it's just annoying.

 

[UKtaxman]

I think you'll find that ATI are in all sorts of trouble at the moment!

 

[jobberd]

i am curious as to why powervr2 is so negative towards nvidia and always pro choice to kyro? If you look at the posts in these forums, you'll see that he does nothing but bash nvidia or promote the kyro. I think he should get his facts together, and realize that Nvidia is a powerful, wise, and beneficial company, just like any other company out there. You complain about underhand tactics? I bet not one company has not used a srategy or ploy that would not be considered &quot;fair&quot; to others in the past. Every company has its own to offer. ATI has its truform. Kyro has its tile based rendering. Nvidia has its crush chipset. In other words, what I'm saying is that Nvidia does not need a &quot;serious kick from ati or kyro&quot;. They have been contributing far more as of late then most companies. so back off

 

[Leon]

Perhaps you should file a complaint to DOJ....


















Reality check....tsk tsk tsk
Special ed Business 101 course would be helpful....

p.s.=>Enjoy your KyroII

 

[pidge]

I think ATI has more to worry about than NVIDIA.

 

[Rage187]

OUCH

 

[TravisBickle]

how apt that you should mention Truform from ATi, jobberd. ATi are famous for not delivering on their promises in the real world, and what you have described is a future touted feature unlike those you mentioned from the other companies.
I remember the infamous Hierarchical Z that only causes artefacts and was disabled by default despite ATi clamining a boost for its inclusion, the degradations of clock speed the Radeon suffered as it came to market after ATi's claims, the problems with drivers and artificial standards...let PowerVR2 say what he likes, he is a zealot, and remarkably harmless. he conducts himself well apart from this silly claim.