Nvidia Fermi is recommended for Metro 2033 game

[nitromullet]

I disagree completely. Batman is amazing with physx turned on. I watched my brother playing it on the 360 and it looked empty to me. The scarecrow fight didn't look nearly as epic, the vents had no cob webs, no volumetric fog anywhere. It looked like the game was downgraded from what I had been playing. Mirror's Edge is another one. The physx effects on that game are really, really well done they just weren't used enough. And you probably haven't played Cryostasis with physx on. Best water, ice particle effects in a game EVER.

But it's stupid so I'm wrong!

I'm gonna have to agree with you on this. From what we hear, most people don't really know or care about PhysX. However, as someone who considers themselves a video card enthusiast, I am by definition not "most people".

Regardless of the politics, I think NV does have a winner on their hands with PhysX. To me playing a gpu PhysX game with/without PhysX is about like playing a game with/without AA. Sure, you can play the game, but it definitely with looks better with it on.

I'm also not quite sure what the problem is with recommending a card that isn't out yet. Personally, I'd rather see developers getting access to the latest hardware prior to release and writing games that use it than catering every game to the mainstream. Yes, I do think new games should run decently on mainstream hardware, but I like it when the dev adds a little something extra for people who have better.

 

[blanketyblank]

I disagree completely. Batman is amazing with physx turned on. I watched my brother playing it on the 360 and it looked empty to me. The scarecrow fight didn't look nearly as epic, the vents had no cob webs, no volumetric fog anywhere. It looked like the game was downgraded from what I had been playing. Mirror's Edge is another one. The physx effects on that game are really, really well done they just weren't used enough. And you probably haven't played Cryostasis with physx on. Best water, ice particle effects in a game EVER.

But it's stupid so I'm wrong!

Not sure if that's a fair comparison. Try playing the game on your PC with physx disabled vs. without. It probably is better with physx on, but comparing the PC to the 360 version introduces other differences.

 

[Lonyo]

I'm gonna have to agree with you on this. From what we hear, most people don't really know or care about PhysX. However, as someone who considers themselves a video card enthusiast, I am by definition not "most people".

Regardless of the politics, I think NV does have a winner on their hands with PhysX. To me playing a gpu PhysX game with/without PhysX is about like playing a game with/without AA. Sure, you can play the game, but it definitely with looks better with it on.

And that is exactly why many of us don't give a crap about PhysX.
"it looks better with it on". It's a graphical feature, and it shouldn't be. And it can't be more than graphical until it's opened up.

Some people here have mentioned that they don't know if the game will even run on ATI hardware because it says PhysX and only lists NV graphics cards. Imagine what a lay-person might think if they don't see anything listed.
The specs have caused confusion.
Some of us have said that they should also list ATI graphics cards to clear it up, and then others have said "but ATI don't support all the features".
So what? PhysX is almost always just like any other graphical feature, even proponents of PhysX say so, so if you can list cards which don't support all graphical features (non-DX11 cards), then you can damned well list ATI cards and stop leaving potential customers confused as to whether they can run your game at all, with or without all "features" being supported.

 

[pmv]

Does sound quite daft. Only listing a card that doesn't exist yet (and still won't even when the game comes out?) while ignoring the ones that do? And it runs on an xbox360 yet needs 8Gb of RAM for optimum performance on a PC? Doesn't bode well. All it needs now is some preposterous DRM scheme and it will score a hat-trick of what's-wrong-with contemporary-PC-games

 

[Attic]

And that is exactly why many of us don't give a crap about PhysX.
"it looks better with it on". It's a graphical feature, and it shouldn't be. And it can't be more than graphical until it's opened up.

Some people here have mentioned that they don't know if the game will even run on ATI hardware because it says PhysX and only lists NV graphics cards. Imagine what a lay-person might think if they don't see anything listed.
The specs have caused confusion.
Some of us have said that they should also list ATI graphics cards to clear it up, and then others have said "but ATI don't support all the features".
So what? PhysX is almost always just like any other graphical feature, even proponents of PhysX say so, so if you can list cards which don't support all graphical features (non-DX11 cards), then you can damned well list ATI cards and stop leaving potential customers confused as to whether they can run your game at all, with or without all "features" being supported.

I agree and you bring up good points.

Biggest reason why Physx doesn't matter to me is because it isn't acclerated by Radeons. AMD has been bringing the better price/performance parts to market over the past 2 years. I'm always going to be buying the best price/performance parts I can find.

If I had a choice of Physx or No Physx, the choice is easy. But nVidia's attempt to make Physx so unavailable to anyone but nVidia users is a slap in the face to gamers IMO. Won't be buying nVidia cards or reccomending them for the forseeable future as a result.

 

[zerocool84]

I disagree completely. Batman is amazing with physx turned on. I watched my brother playing it on the 360 and it looked empty to me. The scarecrow fight didn't look nearly as epic, the vents had no cob webs, no volumetric fog anywhere. It looked like the game was downgraded from what I had been playing. Mirror's Edge is another one. The physx effects on that game are really, really well done they just weren't used enough. And you probably haven't played Cryostasis with physx on. Best water, ice particle effects in a game EVER.

But it's stupid so I'm wrong!

I'm guessing you haven't seen the effects with Physx on or off on the PC. They are things that can be done without Physx and were taken off only to sell cards and say that you can't get these cool effects without it even though we know we can cus games have been doing them for years. Those things you talked about have been done in many other games just fine so it's stupid. I said this in my original post so maybe I didn't word it correctly but Nvidia paid them and said you see these things that we know you can code in anytime on any computer, we want you to restrict it only to cards that have Physx support which is what they did. Also you're right I haven't played Cryostasis. I don't know anyone who has or will cus is a terrible game.

 

[tviceman]

I'm guessing you haven't seen the effects with Physx on or off on the PC. They are things that can be done without Physx and were taken off only to sell cards and say that you can't get these cool effects without it even though we know we can cus games have been doing them for years.

Wow. Right. Got it. So in other words, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Also you're right I haven't played Cryostasis. I don't know anyone who has or will cus is a terrible game.

Wow, no you're just digging a hole you can't climb out of. You've never played it yet you have a very strong opinion of the game. Huh. That makes sense.

http://www.gamespot.com/best-of/dubious-honors/index.html?page=6 Best game no one played.
http://www.gamespot.com/best-of/special-achievement/index.html?page=2 Most surprisingly good game.
http://www.giantbomb.com/cryostasis-the-sleep-of-reason/61-21478/ 4/5
http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=64171 4/5

Even a more harsh review admits the game has good stuff

http://pc.ign.com/objects/901/901814.html "Cryostasis benefits from the developer's creative intentions and has some very intriguing elements. The setting is spooky, the time-travel bits are engaging, and the overall vibe scores big in the traditional components of fright. On the other hand, the mystery doesn't unravel quickly enough to keep players interested and the overall progression of the game is restrictively linear. Quibbles about the relative temperature of light bulbs and campfires aside, the heat element of the game is a very creative idea that adds tension and tone to the game."


Next time you drop in to argue try to know what it is you're arguing about.

 

[zerocool84]

Wow. Right. Got it. So in other words, you have no idea what you're talking about.



Wow, no you're just digging a hole you can't climb out of. You've never played it yet you have a very strong opinion of the game. Huh. That makes sense.

http://www.gamespot.com/best-of/dubious-honors/index.html?page=6 Best game no one played.
http://www.gamespot.com/best-of/special-achievement/index.html?page=2 Most surprisingly good game.
http://www.giantbomb.com/cryostasis-the-sleep-of-reason/61-21478/ 4/5
http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=64171 4/5

Even a more harsh review admits the game has good stuff

http://pc.ign.com/objects/901/901814.html "Cryostasis benefits from the developer's creative intentions and has some very intriguing elements. The setting is spooky, the time-travel bits are engaging, and the overall vibe scores big in the traditional components of fright. On the other hand, the mystery doesn't unravel quickly enough to keep players interested and the overall progression of the game is restrictively linear. Quibbles about the relative temperature of light bulbs and campfires aside, the heat element of the game is a very creative idea that adds tension and tone to the game."


Next time you drop in to argue try to know what it is you're arguing about.

Yea it got awesome reviews.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/cryostasissleepofreason?q=%20Cryostasis

And it was you that brought up Cryostasis not me.

When someone makes a good game that uses Physx is a good way that affects gameplay then that's great but they haven't and it doesn't look like they will any time soon. Games like Battlefield Bad Company 2 use a physics api that everyone can use and it actually affects game play.

 

[Attic]

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/cryostasissleepofreason

Cryostasis gets a 69 from metacritic, that's lousy, you wouldn't have to play the game to realize it's not very good. Wonder if crystasis only printed nvidia cards on it's list of requirements?

 

[Outrage]

Dull combat, countless boring gray rooms and an abandoned story make Cryostasis as appealing as frozen dog droppings

Cryostasis is a brave, fascinating, often very beautiful game, but I find it impossible to recommend it - and not least because it runs like an exploded dog on most PCs. It's not quite creative enough - its environments fall into a monotony of samey rooms and bulkheads - and its combat is too clunky to be delicious

So how does Cryostasis: Sleep of Reason stack up? With mediocre horror themes, poor level design, and a poor story all muddled with poor stability, this is one game you wont miss playing.

thats a game you should spend money on.

 

[vj8usa]

Wow. Right. Got it. So in other words, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Ah, the irony...

Look closely at all the stuff that changes when you disable PhysX in Batman. Things get COMPLETELY stripped out of the game instead of being replaced by static/scripted versions of the same effect. Effects such as volumetric smoke, bouncing sparks, cloth banners and breakable tiles have been in PC/console games long before PhysX, yet for some crazy reason they can't be shown at all in Batman unless you've got nvidia hardware. Not to mention the whole fiasco with antialiasing in that game.

 

[Darklife]

Blah lies Cryostastis was a brilliant game, a bit unpolished sure, but it had a great story. One only has to delve a bit deeper into it. For example I had no idea that the subtitle related to the painting by Goya. That made it a lot more clearer.

 

[Jovec]

Never played Cryostasis, but gaming is still very objective.

However,

If you are a Nvidia fan and want PhysX you should be pestering Nvidia to work with MS and AMD to more rapidly bring a physics standard to gaming. As it stands, the vast majority of developers are not going to want devote to any time on actual physics gameplay, nor on physics eye candy that can't be used by 75% of their market base - AMD/ATI users and Nvidia users with older GPUs that don't have enough power to run a modern game and PhysX. Do you really want to rely on Nvidia's wallet to get PhysX into more games?

AMD is willing to ignore the majority of crappy PhysX titles and the 2-3 per year decent games because they know hardware physics will need to be an open/DX standard for it to take off. Nvidia is betting they can influence enough consumers by keeping PhysX proprietary. In the mean time, gamers are losing out.

 

[konakona]

And you probably haven't played Cryostasis with physx on. Best water, ice particle effects in a game EVER.

You may have a point there, Cryostasis does get brought up sometimes, except when it does, only for its better-than-the-rest physX implementation in the game. Outside of that, I honestly never heard of it. Isn't metacritic a better measuring stick for how well the game is received, rather than some random articles from here and there?

I was sorta interested in it when Steam had it on sale for under $10 just to see what all the physX hype is all about, but I opted out since my steam purchases were snowballing from other (better reviewed) games. With a metacritic score of 69, I think there are better ways to spend your time and money on.

 

[nitromullet]

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/cryostasissleepofreason

Cryostasis gets a 69 from metacritic, that's lousy, you wouldn't have to play the game to realize it's not very good. Wonder if crystasis only printed nvidia cards on it's list of requirements?

I'm pretty sure most people are aware that Cryostasis got pretty bad mediocre reviews, hence the "Best Game No One Played" distinction. Based on the reviews I wouldn't have bought it either, but I got it free with an EVGA card, gave it a shot, and was pleasantly surprised.

Don't believe everything you read in reviews. Penumbra, another game sort of similar to Cryostasis got pretty bad reviews, but is received much better by actual gamers.

Then there's Far Cry 2... Solid reviews from the critics, but we all know (now that we bought it) that the game sucks ass.

That being said, the PhysX in Cryostasis still chokes even a single GTX 275, so the current status of this game for me is that I'm waiting to for a card that can handle this game before I continue it.

 

[yh125d]

I'm pretty sure most people are aware that Cryostasis got pretty bad mediocre reviews, hence the "Best Game No One Played" distinction. Based on the reviews I wouldn't have bought it either, but I got it free with an EVGA card, gave it a shot, and was pleasantly surprised.

Don't believe everything you read in reviews. Penumbra, another game sort of similar to Cryostasis got pretty bad reviews, but is received much better by actual gamers.

Then there's Far Cry 2... Solid reviews from the critics, but we all know (now that we bought it) that the game sucks ass.

That being said, the PhysX in Cryostasis still chokes even a single GTX 275, so the current status of this game for me is that I'm waiting to for a card that can handle this game before I continue it.

Whoa now, speak for yourself

 

[dguy6789]

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It's no secret that every single PhysX effect in every PhysX game to date has been done with just as impressive visuals on other games without the need for PhysX GPU acceleration. You can try and argue that it's impossible to have paper flying around in an adventure game at a playable framerate without PhysX acceleration if you want but Nvidia fanboys have already tried and failed at that one.

Batman Arkham Asylum is the only game worth playing that supports GPU accelerated PhysX. Every other PhysX game is pure garbage.

 

[nitromullet]

Whoa now, speak for yourself

Fair enough, "sucks ass" is probably a tad harsh, but I was was disappointed with FC2. I'm not the only on though...

Note the solid 5.5 it got from users, as opposed to the 8.5 from critics... http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/farcry2?q=far%20cry 2

Either way, the point wasn't whether or not FC2 is any good or not, but that just because Cryostasis (a PhysX game) didn't get the highest critical acclaim doesn't mean it's a bad game or that PhysX is somehow bad or useless.

PhysX is a feature... Either it matters to you, or it doesn't. IMO, in games that have gpu PhysX I'd prefer to run them with PhysX than without.

Batman Arkham Asylum is the only game worth playing that supports GPU accelerated PhysX. Every other PhysX game is pure garbage.

That is as much your opinion as it is mine that FC2 was a disappointment.

 

[dguy6789]

I consider FC2 to be terrible as well.

 

[nitromullet]

I consider FC2 to be terrible as well.

Maybe you should give Cryostasis a shot, it's nothing like FC2.

 

[konakona]

Maybe you should give Cryostasis a shot, it's nothing like FC2.

tbh, I've seen you enough times sound like a voice of reason in this forum. Maybe I should give it a shot after all

 

[nitromullet]

tbh, I've seen you enough times sound like a voice of reason in this forum. Maybe I should give it a shot after all

Thanks.

There is a demo... http://www.evga.com/articles/00471/

Probably not the game for everybody, but I was pleasantly surprised considering the crappy reviews it got.

 

[toyota]

I disagree completely. Batman is amazing with physx turned on. I watched my brother playing it on the 360 and it looked empty to me. The scarecrow fight didn't look nearly as epic, the vents had no cob webs, no volumetric fog anywhere. It looked like the game was downgraded from what I had been playing. Mirror's Edge is another one. The physx effects on that game are really, really well done they just weren't used enough. And you probably haven't played Cryostasis with physx on. Best water, ice particle effects in a game EVER.

But it's stupid so I'm wrong!

there are still cobwebs and fog but there just isnt as much nor or they interactive. honestly I did not find it worth cutting my performance in more than half for it. the Scarecrow levels with physx on looked more like a physx demo than a natural part of the game.

if you thought that physx added anything meaningful in Mirrors Edge then you must be easily impressed. sorry but I didnt stop to closely watch the glass breaking and those silly flaps hanging down(also in Batman) or other cloth simulation looked odd and out of place anyway.

oh its funny that a game like RF Guerrilla and BC 2 have destructible environments yet pretty much any destructible stuff had to be removed from the shipping Batman game because it would cause too big of a framerate hit. sorry but hardware level physx in its current state is a very inefficient pos.

 

[Blue Shift]

oh its funny that a game like RF Guerrilla and BC 2 have destructible environments yet pretty much any destructible stuff had to be removed from the shipping Batman game because it would cause too big of a framerate hit. sorry but hardware level physx in its current state is a very inefficient pos.

*facepalm*

 

[toyota]

*facepalm*

this coming from someone that wanted to put a $650 5970 with a 5000 X2 at 1440? lol