Nvidia Fermi is recommended for Metro 2033 game

[nitromullet]

Maybe the devs didn't test it on ATI hardware, so they don't recommend it. Stupid, but possible.

http://kotaku.com/5422990/saboteur-pc-not-working-with-ati-graphics-cards

 

[Compddd]

8GB of RAM for optimal? This sounds like the most poorly coded console port ever.

 

[Borealis7]

to me it just looks like they are planning ahead and announcing hardware requirement which they think will be standard in the future like 3D and Physx. but yeah...it would be funny to hear/read their tech support people when people call/post in forums "can i run this game with an AMD card?"

its not like they are lying to the customers. they are simply not telling the whole truth.

 

[Kuzi]

Wow, no mention of ATI cards at all there. They recommend Nvidia hardware on a DX11 game, when the only DX11 GPUs out now are from ATI. What a sad joke.

 

[Tabby]

if you are someone who is going to call tech support to see if you can run the game then you are playing on the wrong platform.

 

[Dribble]

8GB of RAM for optimal? This sounds like the most poorly coded console port ever.

That's what caught my eye. Not mentioning radeon's seems a bit trivial - we all know the relative performances, not a big thing to get worked up over, but 8GB of memory, wow.

 

[Keysplayr]

Fair enough, but doesn't explain why it lacks any mention of any ATi card in any of the listed settings including minimal and recommended. A bit too strange considering how there is zero user base on dx11 nv hardware (duh!) and 48x0 series have done so well.

I think Tviceman just did.
I think there may be a problem advertising PhysX and 3DVision and then listing AMD hardware in any of the spec. Min, recommended or optimal. I'm pretty sure the dev knows that AMD hardware are unable to execute these features.

Thing is guys, you might be complaining even more if the DID list AMD in the specs.
"How dare they list AMD in the specs if they can't run PhysX or 3DVision!!! This is false advertising!!"
Know what I mean? If they DID list AMD hardware, there would have to be a "*" next to that entry, and the comment at the bottom would read something like:

*"AMD hardware can run this game with DirectX 10 and 11 features, but cannot run PhysX or 3DVision. Listed Nvidia graphics cards are needed for these features."

Maybe the dev was trying to be nice and spared AMD this sort of embarrassment?
I doubt it, but maybe they're just covering their butts.

 

[Voo]

Thing is guys, you might be complaining even more if the DID list AMD in the specs.
"How dare they list AMD in the specs if they can't run PhysX or 3DVision!!! This is false advertising!!"
Know what I mean? If they DID list AMD hardware, there would have to be a "*" next to that entry, and the comment at the bottom would read something like:

*"AMD hardware can run this game with DirectX 10 and 11 features, but cannot run PhysX or 3DVision. Listed Nvidia graphics cards are needed for these features.".

But they already list the needed hardware for 3DVision seperately, so the whole point is about PhysiX and I don't think it would be a big problem to also note that seperately some way or another.


Not recommending Ati cards isn't a problem for either us or Ati (I don't think the hw recommendations of a game have a great marketing value), but for non-tech savy people with Ati cards it's problematic to find out how good their cards work with the game.

 

[Lonyo]

I think Tviceman just did.
I think there may be a problem advertising PhysX and 3DVision and then listing AMD hardware in any of the spec. Min, recommended or optimal. I'm pretty sure the dev knows that AMD hardware are unable to execute these features.

Thing is guys, you might be complaining even more if the DID list AMD in the specs.
"How dare they list AMD in the specs if they can't run PhysX or 3DVision!!! This is false advertising!!"
Know what I mean? If they DID list AMD hardware, there would have to be a "*" next to that entry, and the comment at the bottom would read something like:

*"AMD hardware can run this game with DirectX 10 and 11 features, but cannot run PhysX or 3DVision. Listed Nvidia graphics cards are needed for these features."

Maybe the dev was trying to be nice and spared AMD this sort of embarrassment?
I doubt it, but maybe they're just covering their butts.

Let us hope that they don't advertise DX11 as being a feature then, since at release no NV cards will be able to run DX11.
Also they are listing cards that won't even be out yet on the day of release. How is that saving anyone from embarrassment? "Hey optimal settings for our game require a card that you can't buy."
They should list the new AMD 12 core server CPU for recommended under Optimal, since it has 12 full threads. Who cares if you can't buy it for a desktop system?
Also you can run PhysX on a computer with an AMD GPU.

 

[Piotrsama]

I think Tviceman just did.
I think there may be a problem advertising PhysX and 3DVision and then listing AMD hardware in any of the spec. Min, recommended or optimal. I'm pretty sure the dev knows that AMD hardware are unable to execute these features.

Thing is guys, you might be complaining even more if the DID list AMD in the specs.
"How dare they list AMD in the specs if they can't run PhysX or 3DVision!!! This is false advertising!!"
Know what I mean? If they DID list AMD hardware, there would have to be a "*" next to that entry, and the comment at the bottom would read something like:

*"AMD hardware can run this game with DirectX 10 and 11 features, but cannot run PhysX or 3DVision. Listed Nvidia graphics cards are needed for these features."

Maybe those req. should go in the recommended section, for people that want to use those features.
Funny thing is that they very likely used ATI cards for development and testing of DirectX 11.
What else would they have used all those months back?

Let's assume that ATI cards are absolutely unable to run the game (which I highly doubt).
But then, why don't they list AMD CPUs? (it makes no sense).


Sounds to me that something like this happened:

Nvidia: Hey, You can have this extra million $ if you don't make any AMD reference in the requirements.

Publisher: Send them ASAP!!
<deletes ALL AMD references, whether it's a CPU or GPU>

 

[Keysplayr]

Let us hope that they don't advertise DX11 as being a feature then, since at release no NV cards will be able to run DX11.
Also they are listing cards that won't even be out yet on the day of release. How is that saving anyone from embarrassment? "Hey optimal settings for our game require a card that you can't buy."



::: Grabs a paper towel and wipes dripping sarcasm off screen :::

They DO list is as a feature.
The game launch beats GF100 launch by 10 days. I think you can deal with that. I think
folks would be waiting a lot more than 10 days for PhysX and 3DVision to be run on AMD hardware, don't you?
Your argument decreases 10&#37; each day after metro 2033 launches.


They should list the new AMD 12 core server CPU for recommended under Optimal, since it has 12 full threads. Who cares if you can't buy it for a desktop system?

They list Quad Core or 3GHz+ Dual Core in Optimal specs.

Also you can run PhysX on a computer with an AMD GPU.

Not without a hack. I think you'd be hard pressed to get the dev to put THAT on the box. "* You must use a driver hack to enable PhysX if using an AMD GPU accompanied by a PhysX capable Nvidia GPU."

So, I can't tell if you were using extreme sarcasm or not, but at least my argument was kind of realistic. The dev is probably just covering their collective butts. If they are touting PhysX, 3DVision, and DX11, I think it's easier to list cards that would perform all touted features instead of just one out of three. Just my opinion.

 

[Lonyo]

So, I can't tell if you were using extreme sarcasm or not, but at least my argument was kind of realistic. The dev is probably just covering their collective butts. If they are touting PhysX, 3DVision, and DX11, I think it's easier to list cards that would perform all touted features instead of just one out of three. Just my opinion.

PhysX works on ALL systems, AFAIK from the iPhone to the Wii to Windows PCs (no idea about Linux etc).
PhysX extra graphical effects (like the extras from DX11 vs DX9) are NV only, yes, but PhysX isn't, and saying "oh you can't run PhysX because of your GPU" would count to me as being the same as not being able to run DX11 because of your GPU, and they list non-DX11 GPUs under the specs.

As has already been mentioned, they have specific requirements listed for 3D Vision, so that part of the argument is null and void. You need more than just an NV graphics card for 3D Vision.

 

[Keysplayr]

Is Metro 2033 PhysX GPU based or CPU based? If it isn't GPU only, then I concede your point about PhysX on all platforms. 3DVision however absolutely requires Nvidia hardware. You cannot use 3DVision with AMD hardware. I don't even know why I had to say this because you know it already. Yes, a 120Hz monitor and the 3D glasses and emitter are needed. But I'm sorry. I must still be missing your points. I must need another cup of coffee.

 

[Tab]

I plan on using my 9600GSO as a physics card and using my 5770 as my main card. They've already made hacks for the drivers.

 

[Voo]

Is Metro 2033 PhysX GPU based or CPU based? If it isn't GPU only, then I concede your point about PhysX on all platforms.

It's a console port isn't it? That would mean if they didn't develop the physics specialy for the PC version it would run on the CPU as well..

And you can't deny that they a) already created a extra section for special features (3dSurround) and b) that no recommended cards for Ati is confusing for the less tech savy folks with one..

 

[Lonyo]

Is Metro 2033 PhysX GPU based or CPU based? If it isn't GPU only, then I concede your point about PhysX on all platforms. 3DVision however absolutely requires Nvidia hardware. You cannot use 3DVision with AMD hardware. I don't even know why I had to say this because you know it already. Yes, a 120Hz monitor and the 3D glasses and emitter are needed. But I'm sorry. I must still be missing your points. I must need another cup of coffee.

They already have requirements listed, separately, for 3D Vision hardware, so it has no bearing on the more general specs, and they could include AMD cards there with no "embarrassment".

http://physxinfo.com/news/1881/metro-2033-interview-with-4a-games-on-physics-and-physx/

Yuriy: PhysX hardware acceleration capability of Nvidia GPUs will add performance in the first place. There are two physics modes in Metro 2033 – basic and so-called, “Advanced PhysX”, which will include both enhanced, more detailed effects from basic mode and some additional physics features. Advanced PhysX mode requires appropriate Nvidia GPU to run properly, meanwhile, it will not affect gameplay, just add some immersion.

It's yet another FluffX game, so it should run fine on CPU alone.

 

[Rezist]

Maybe it won't run on ATi cards at all?

 

[Piotrsama]

Maybe it won't run on ATi cards at all?

Or AMD CPUs? (reading the reqs. would also lead to think that)

Now: Do you really believe that it won't?

 

[yh125d]

to me it just looks like they are planning ahead and announcing hardware requirement which they think will be standard in the future like 3D and Physx. but yeah...it would be funny to hear/read their tech support people when people call/post in forums "can i run this game with an AMD card?"

its not like they are lying to the customers. they are simply not telling the whole truth.

That's called a lie of omission




I really hope theres no issues like the batman AA fiasco, I'm really excited about this title and want to play it on my 4890

 

[mhouck]

Gamespy has this metro for 3/16. I thought the launch date for 4XX GTX was 3/26?

 

[nOOky]

I guess I just won't buy the game then, since I run ATI cards right now. Doesn't look like I'll be missing much anyway.

 

[Lonyo]

It does specify an NV DX11 card for "Optimal", whereas for the rest it doesn't specify a GPU maker, so it seems reasonable to assume that ATI will work fine.
And yes, this game is going to be release before the supposedly optimal cards to play it on are released.

 

[tviceman]

Physx is just a stupid... no good games use it well enough

I disagree completely. Batman is amazing with physx turned on. I watched my brother playing it on the 360 and it looked empty to me. The scarecrow fight didn't look nearly as epic, the vents had no cob webs, no volumetric fog anywhere. It looked like the game was downgraded from what I had been playing. Mirror's Edge is another one. The physx effects on that game are really, really well done they just weren't used enough. And you probably haven't played Cryostasis with physx on. Best water, ice particle effects in a game EVER.

But it's stupid so I'm wrong!

 

[tviceman]

Yea man cause nVidia is the only company with a Direct X 11 card out, oh wait...........

Did I say anything at all about directx 11? Let me check... nope sure didn't.

 

[tviceman]

Is Metro 2033 PhysX GPU based or CPU based? If it isn't GPU only, then I concede your point about PhysX on all platforms. 3DVision however absolutely requires Nvidia hardware. You cannot use 3DVision with AMD hardware. I don't even know why I had to say this because you know it already. Yes, a 120Hz monitor and the 3D glasses and emitter are needed. But I'm sorry. I must still be missing your points. I must need another cup of coffee.

No need to concede keys. Metro 2033 is using physx for both software and hardware based rendering. So those with nvidia cards will experience better graphics and/or better frame rates with GPU-accelerated physx turned on.