Nvidia G70 Speculations

[apoppin]

The Nvidia G70 is the Geforce 7800GTX

E3 Chinese leaks

By Fuad Abazovic in Las Vegas: Friday 20 May 2005, 09:00
THE MISERY OF THE SITH is finally revealed. Nvidia G70 is finally undressed and we spotted some details here.

Despite what we said before, the chip is 110 nanometres but will shift to 90 nanos later this year or early next year. It's clocked to 430MHz for the core and 1400MHz memory. Its 24 pipelines part has 38.4 GB/s bandwidth, 10.32Bps Fill rate and capable of 860 Millions of vertices in second.

It's DirectX 9 capable, SM 3.0 and Open GL 2.0 capable, you will need 400 W PSU for single card and for SLI you need 500 W with 12 V and rating of 34A.

Nvidia will have three variants of the card GTX, GT and vanilla. It could be worse. It could be cochineal.

The original launch date was 22nd of June but we are sure Nvidia will change it now when it's leaked. To show you that those details are genuine we can confirm with two pictures here and here.

We asked around our usually talkative sources and they confirmed the information is genuine. [So why didn't you get it first, Fudo? Ed.]

Nvidia G70 or should we say Geforce 7800 GTX is now naked and ATI now knows more then it ever did. What's faster G70 or R520 that's a hard question to answer right now. µ

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[imported_humey]

5mhz more than most 6800 Ultras on the core, i still think Nvidia have a Ultra hidden up their sleeves waiting for ATI to annouce their cards specs.

No way is a Top Flagship card gonna have 5mhz more than old 6800 U and less than the 450mhz Ultra E, if the ram is the samsung 1.2ns that was made just after N40 launced it can do 800mhz/1600mhz ddr.

Again i think there will be a Ultra of some sorts with 475 at (least)core/1500 or 1600 memory, some are saying 500-600 on core but i read agp version wont be as powerful as amount of juice it needs and still will need 2 molex's, im not sure why this should matter if the pci-e slot gives more juice than agp slot, ok have 2 molex's but i dont see how it should affect clocks or heat.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: humey
5mhz more than most 6800 Ultras on the core, i still think Nvidia have a Ultra hidden up their sleeves waiting for ATI to annouce their cards specs.

No way is a Top Flagship card gonna have 5mhz more than old 6800 U and less than the 450mhz Ultra E, if the ram is the samsung 1.2ns that was made just after N40 launced it can do 800mhz/1600mhz ddr.

Again i think there will be a Ultra of some sorts with 475 at (least)core/1500 or 1600 memory, some are saying 500-600 on core but i read agp version wont be as powerful as amount of juice it needs and still will need 2 molex's, im not sure why this should matter if the pci-e slot gives more juice than agp slot, ok have 2 molex's but i dont see how it should affect clocks or heat.

you think?"
:roll:


the G70 is a different core on a smaller die. The core speed of the G70's performance is UNrelated to the core speed of the current 6800U's performance.

that said, of course nVidia will have a ultra "Ultra" in reserve . . . just in case ATi can pull off their "sli" with reasonably able drivers
[which i DON'T believe]
:Q
:roll:

 

[ddogg]

according to the inquirer, they have ONCE AGAIN contradicted their info by saying that the new G70 will be 110nm after all....getting pretty tired of this crap!!
so clocking it at 430Mhz looks pretty likely now....the architecture might be pretty efficient on this card as well as they once again didnt feel the need to clock it high unlike ATI.

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: humey
5mhz more than most 6800 Ultras on the core, i still think Nvidia have a Ultra hidden up their sleeves waiting for ATI to annouce their cards specs.

No way is a Top Flagship card gonna have 5mhz more than old 6800 U and less than the 450mhz Ultra E, if the ram is the samsung 1.2ns that was made just after N40 launced it can do 800mhz/1600mhz ddr.

Again i think there will be a Ultra of some sorts with 475 at (least)core/1500 or 1600 memory, some are saying 500-600 on core but i read agp version wont be as powerful as amount of juice it needs and still will need 2 molex's, im not sure why this should matter if the pci-e slot gives more juice than agp slot, ok have 2 molex's but i dont see how it should affect clocks or heat.

you think?"
:roll:


the G70 is a different core on a smaller die. The core speed of the G70's performance is UNrelated to the core speed of the current 6800U's performance.

that said, of course nVidia will have a ultra "Ultra" in reserve . . . just in case ATi can pull off their "sli" with reasonably able drivers
[which i DON'T believe]
:Q
:roll:

ya me 2...i highly doubt they would have proper drivers for their "SLI"....unless they have some miracle driver man amongst their midst!! which we all know is not there

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: archcommus
Approximate release time? Are we talking this year or next?

the G70 is sure to be released in June, might be the 22nd although they could change it...
the R520 looks to be launched in the fall but ATI might release a card to steal some of Nvidia's thunder or if their silicon is working well.
the G70 most likely will launch at MSRP $549...but getting it at price is TOO much to ask!

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ddogg
according to the inquirer, they have ONCE AGAIN contradicted their info by saying that the new G70 will be 110nm after all....getting pretty tired of this crap!!
so clocking it at 430Mhz looks pretty likely now....the architecture might be pretty efficient on this card as well as they once again didnt feel the need to clock it high unlike ATI.

they were probably talking about the PS3 G70 in one of the articles.

 

[Cheesetogo]

Originally posted by: The inquirer
The original launch date was 22nd of June but we are sure Nvidia will change it now when it's leaked.

If it changes, would it be to a earlier or later date?

 

[Rudee]

I'm rather underwhelmed by the specs.

 

[ronnn]

Looks like a very nice card to own. :beer: I guess the big question is when will it be available and will it work properly out of the box - or will we have to wait for driver, bios improvements? I think ATI will have trouble matching this.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: ddogg
according to the inquirer, they have ONCE AGAIN contradicted their info by saying that the new G70 will be 110nm after all....getting pretty tired of this crap!!
so clocking it at 430Mhz looks pretty likely now....the architecture might be pretty efficient on this card as well as they once again didnt feel the need to clock it high unlike ATI.

they were probably talking about the PS3 G70 in one of the articles.

actually nVidia plans to move to 90nm late this year.

and i HIGHLY doube we will see the G70 released in June . . . . nVidia is waiting for ATi and ATi is rushing to develop their "sli" waiting to see what nVidia brings to the table.

nVidia iswaiting for ATI . . .

ATi is waiting for nVidia . . .

:shocked:

at least THIS time - when it is launched - expect next to "immediate" delivery of product.
:roll:

 

[Dukemaster]

Buy a 7800GTX wich is only a graphics card for $500-$600 or buy a Xbox 360 wich is a complete console with a gpu that's more powerfull then the card that i just mentioned for $400-$500? What a tough desition that's going to be...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: ddogg
according to the inquirer, they have ONCE AGAIN contradicted their info by saying that the new G70 will be 110nm after all....getting pretty tired of this crap!!
so clocking it at 430Mhz looks pretty likely now....the architecture might be pretty efficient on this card as well as they once again didnt feel the need to clock it high unlike ATI.

they were probably talking about the PS3 G70 in one of the articles.

actually nVidia plans to move to 90nm late this year.

and i HIGHLY doubt we will see the G70 released in June . . . . nVidia is waiting for ATi and ATi is rushing to develop their "sli" while ALSO waiting to see what nVidia brings to the table.

. . . nVidia is waiting for ATI . . .

. . . ATi is waiting for nVidia . . .

:shocked:

at least THIS time - when it is launched - expect next to "immediate" delivery of product.
:roll:

i just think i'll get a damn xBox
(IF i can attach a mouse+KB) :Q

 

[MDme]

"indeed 136 operations per clock i think it was"

you sound like yoda, lol

If that's what the G70 is, then ATi might beat them if they can get the XBOX360 gpu enhancements into their next-gen card. although not directly comparable.... the 24 pixel + 8 vertex pipes seem inferior to 48 dynamically allocatable 48 shader pipes (pixel/vertex), I mean with proper driver and game programming it can be like 32 vertex pipes + 16 vertex pipes or even 40 pixel pipes + 8 vertex pipes. and don't forget the 2 shader operations per cycle as well.

 

[MDme]

typo on my post, i meant 32 pixel + 16 vertex pipes.

BTW, it just occured to me, since the next gen PC GPUs are almost as powerful as their console counterparts (at least G70 compared with PS3 - no info on ATi yet) that means that if we put the g70 GTX in SLI mode then we would effectively crush PS3 graphics performance. Sony = owned

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: MDme
typo on my post, i meant 32 pixel + 16 vertex pipes.

BTW, it just occured to me, since the next gen PC GPUs are almost as powerful as their console counterparts (at least G70 compared with PS3 - no info on ATi yet) that means that if we put the g70 GTX in SLI mode then we would effectively crush PS3 graphics performance. Sony = owned

Nope. Sony has seen to it that the PS3 GPU will be more powerful then 2 sli'd g70s . . . gotta wait for g80

 

[Pete]

I think you're getting a little ahead of yourself, apoppin. nV themselves said RSX was more powerful than 6800U SLI. That doesn't sound like two G70s to me, especially if RSX is supposed to be basically a G70 tweaked/retooled for the console space.

MDme, I don't think it's correct to think of the R500 (Xb360 GPU) as having 48 pipelines, at least not in the traditional sense. Remember, it can only output eight pixels per clock, which would limit it to eight old-school pipelines. But it's not as simple as that, either. I don't fully understand it myself, especially since I've just heard of it referred to as similar to an X800P, maybe in that it has three quads--though it beats me how quads work in a unified architecture.

 

[R3MF]

xbox GPU was a Geforce3.5

therefore i speculate that thew RSX is a g75 class GPU.

have fun

 

[Dukemaster]

Originally posted by: MDme
typo on my post, i meant 32 pixel + 16 vertex pipes.

BTW, it just occured to me, since the next gen PC GPUs are almost as powerful as their console counterparts (at least G70 compared with PS3 - no info on ATi yet) that means that if we put the g70 GTX in SLI mode then we would effectively crush PS3 graphics performance. Sony = owned

Nope because now you forget three things: one the Playstation 3 has the Cell processor witch is way more powerfull then anything available for the pc. And two hardware in a console in the end is much more effective then in a pc, because gamedevelopers can utilise (after a litle while) about 90% of the power of the hardware in a console because al the Playstation 3 consoles are the same. They can't do that with the pc because every pc is different and therefore programming for it is much more ineffective. And last but not least you musn't forget that two 7800gtx graphics cards in sli(wich are only one part of a pc) will probably cost over 2 times the price of a Playsation 3 console, wich is a complete system.

 

[Ackmed]

Sigh, Im tired of rumors, I want some facts. If it is indeed to launch in June (which I doubt), where are the reviews? If all this is true, having only the highest card SLI capable is a mistake. At least to me.

 

[MDme]

pete... yes i am aware they are not directly comparable, i never implied that. but the xbox360gpu does not output 8 pixels per clock otherwise they'd be basically weaker than X800's since their fillrate would be 8 x the clock speed of the GPU ~ 500Mhz. If you see the article below, while they are not directly comparable, it has 48 pipelines which can process either vertex or pixel data. (and each pipeline can actually do 2 shader ops/sec)

http://www.techreport.com/etc/2005q2/xbox360-gpu/index.x?pg=1

dukemaster... i did not forget those 3 things...for one thing, cell is yet to be a proven commodity, second even if cell does feed all the geometry the RSX can handle, it will still be limited by the gpu. if you notice, in the PC world, gaming performance is more likely GPU bound than CPU bound, so an increase in GPU power with let's say 2 G70 GTXs will surely outpace 1 RSX unit. I do admit that console game developers can maximize console performance better than PC's do, but put that fact side by side by the fact that more and more developers are making games which stress cutting edge PC hardware (i.e. upcoming Unreal 3 engine) you can see where that will lead to. note that developers can make detail and performance sliders for less powered PCs. third, i never said anything about the cost issue. i know the PC is TONS more expensive.

apoppin....sony and nvidia said the RSX is more powerful than 2 6800U's not G70s. nuff said

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: ddogg
according to the inquirer, they have ONCE AGAIN contradicted their info by saying that the new G70 will be 110nm after all....getting pretty tired of this crap!!
so clocking it at 430Mhz looks pretty likely now....the architecture might be pretty efficient on this card as well as they once again didnt feel the need to clock it high unlike ATI.

they were probably talking about the PS3 G70 in one of the articles.

actually nVidia plans to move to 90nm late this year.

and i HIGHLY doube we will see the G70 released in June . . . . nVidia is waiting for ATi and ATi is rushing to develop their "sli" waiting to see what nVidia brings to the table.

nVidia iswaiting for ATI . . .

ATi is waiting for nVidia . . .

:shocked:

at least THIS time - when it is launched - expect next to "immediate" delivery of product.
:roll:

well i doubt it....its highly unlikely that we would see immediate deliverly of the cards...just too much ask after this current generation.

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: MDme
typo on my post, i meant 32 pixel + 16 vertex pipes.

BTW, it just occured to me, since the next gen PC GPUs are almost as powerful as their console counterparts (at least G70 compared with PS3 - no info on ATi yet) that means that if we put the g70 GTX in SLI mode then we would effectively crush PS3 graphics performance. Sony = owned

Nope. Sony has seen to it that the PS3 GPU will be more powerful then 2 sli'd g70s . . . gotta wait for g80

they said that the RSX would be more powerful than 2 6800Us in SLI not G70s...the G70s in SLI should crush the PS3 GPU although u would have to pay nearly 2.5 times the price of a PS3 for that kind of performance

 

[Cheesetogo]

Originally posted by: MDme
"indeed 136 operations per clock i think it was"

you sound like yoda, lol

If that's what the G70 is, then ATi might beat them if they can get the XBOX360 gpu enhancements into their next-gen card. although not directly comparable.... the 24 pixel + 8 vertex pipes seem inferior to 48 dynamically allocatable 48 shader pipes (pixel/vertex), I mean with proper driver and game programming it can be like 32 vertex pipes + 16 vertex pipes or even 40 pixel pipes + 8 vertex pipes. and don't forget the 2 shader operations per cycle as well.

The gpu in the xbox is not of the R5XX series, it's a totally different chip.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ddogg

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: MDme
typo on my post, i meant 32 pixel + 16 vertex pipes.

BTW, it just occured to me, since the next gen PC GPUs are almost as powerful as their console counterparts (at least G70 compared with PS3 - no info on ATi yet) that means that if we put the g70 GTX in SLI mode then we would effectively crush PS3 graphics performance. Sony = owned

Nope. Sony has seen to it that the PS3 GPU will be more powerful then 2 sli'd g70s . . . gotta wait for g80

they said that the RSX would be more powerful than 2 6800Us in SLI not G70s...the G70s in SLI should crush the PS3 GPU although u would have to pay nearly 2.5 times the price of a PS3 for that kind of performance

"may be" "should be" "could be" "if"

MY Prediction is that you will have to wait for G80 to see equivalent performance from the PC that the PS3 will have at launch.

and to PRE-answer "your" comments so i won't have to read them:
We'll see
:roll:

i am SKIPPING r520/g70 in favor of a cheap 6800u as my last AGP card . . . THEN i'll decide - after the next gen consoles actually are available at MSRP - whether to really UPgrade my computer OR forget upgrading for a couple of years and buy a console.
:shocked: