NVIDIA Geforce GTX 1070 Thread

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sontin

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No, but i dont care about a card which doesnt work in over half of the games...
 
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That's nice if you can get a 1070 for $379.

As expected, most models are ~$419 USD onwards, above the MSRP.

To put things closer to home, here, a GTX 980 is ~$729 AUD. Fury is ~$729 AUD.

Most 1070 models so far are $729 to $799 AUD.

Most 970 & 390 models are $429 to $449 AUD for the last year.

If anyone thinks the 1070 is going to be a sales hit like the 970 was, they will be in for a rude shock. It's simply beyond the affordable range that moves in volume. At $329 on launch, the 970 was only a tiny bit outside the sweetspot of up to $300, lots of gamers can afford a bit more for it. But at $419/$449 USD, it's simply way beyond the sweetspot.

Those waiting for a more volume based GPU from NV has to wait for the 1060Ti or 1060.
 

amenx

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Um, I got my 7950 3GB for $180 more than a year prior to the 970's release.
I'm referring to release date prices. You seem to have bought yours after Hawaii release. Any cards sold after being replaced by new gen cards are expected to drop in price. If large inventories, low demand, prices will plummet, thats they way things generally pan out.
 

JujuFish

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I'm referring to release date prices. You seem to have bought yours after Hawaii release. Any cards sold after being replaced by new gen cards are expected to drop in price. If large inventories, low demand, prices will plummet, thats they way things generally pan out.
Negative.
 

amenx

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That's nice if you can get a 1070 for $379.

As expected, most models are ~$419 USD onwards, above the MSRP.

To put things closer to home, here, a GTX 980 is ~$729 AUD. Fury is ~$729 AUD.

Most 1070 models so far are $729 to $799 AUD.

Most 970 & 390 models are $429 to $449 AUD for the last year.

If anyone thinks the 1070 is going to be a sales hit like the 970 was, they will be in for a rude shock. It's simply beyond the affordable range that moves in volume. At $329 on launch, the 970 was only a tiny bit outside the sweetspot of up to $300, lots of gamers can afford a bit more for it. But at $419/$449 USD, it's simply way beyond the sweetspot.

Those waiting for a more volume based GPU from NV has to wait for the 1060Ti or 1060.
I think the 1070 will be a big sales hit. The only difference is how much $50 over the 970 is going to affect it. The 970 was a phenomenal sales hit, the 1070 is doubtful it can match it, yet in all likelihood it should still be a big seller.
 
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I'm referring to release date prices. You seem to have bought yours after Hawaii release. Any cards sold after being replaced by new gen cards are expected to drop in price. If large inventories, low demand, prices will plummet, thats they way things generally pan out.

AMD dropped 7950 and 7970 prices really quick after NV dropped the 670 and 680. Especially after the 660Ti.

Competition is good for gamers man.

These are companies seeking to maximize profits. If any of them fail to compete, the other will instantly jack up the prices.
 
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I think the 1070 will be a big sales hit. The only difference is how much $50 over the 970 is going to affect it. The 970 was a phenomenal sales hit, the 1070 is doubtful it can match it, yet in all likelihood it should still be a big seller.

Are you still in denial?

$329 vs $419 to $449. You keep spouting this $379 MSRP as if it's the common price.
 

Head1985

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1070 wont be sales hit.Well not in EU for sure.
500+Euro for AIB..Just Nope it cost almost like GTX980 at launch.
 

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I think the 1070 will be a big sales hit. The only difference is how much $50 over the 970 is going to affect it. The 970 was a phenomenal sales hit, the 1070 is doubtful it can match it, yet in all likelihood it should still be a big seller.

Except of course, the 1070 is NOT $50 over the 970, its $120 over the 970 at release (329.99-449.99).. unless you can point to availability of the $379.99 GTX 1070 Unicorn Edition.
 

amenx

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Are you still in denial?

$329 vs $419 to $449. You keep spouting this $379 MSRP as if it's the common price.
And you keep talking as if the $449 is the standard price for everyone 2 months from now. I dont have crystal ball, and neither do you. $379-390 MSRP I think is doable when inventories build up and as competition between various AIBs shape up. I dont think Nvidia set out to manufacture this card in modest volumes. But if you want to continue projecting your POV through your crystal ball, be my guest.
 

sze5003

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And you keep talking as if the $449 is the standard price for everyone 2 months from now. I dont have crystal ball, and neither do you. $379-390 MSRP I think is doable when inventories build up and as competition between various AIBs shape up. I dont think Nvidia set out to manufacture this card in modest volumes. But if you want to continue projecting your POV through your crystal ball, be my guest.
I think they may hit $379 once the amd cards are out at the end of the month, mid July. They probably won't drop until August or later.
 

amenx

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Except of course, the 1070 is NOT $50 over the 970, its $120 over the 970 at release (329.99-449.99).. unless you can point to availability of the $379.99 GTX 1070 Unicorn Edition.
Yes, in this brief slice in time that everyone wants to make a big deal of. Most people have patience and will not pay $449 for these cards. I certainly wont, but probably will when a good AIB card is available at $380-390.
 

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That's nice if you can get a 1070 for $379.

As expected, most models are ~$419 USD onwards, above the MSRP.

To put things closer to home, here, a GTX 980 is ~$729 AUD. Fury is ~$729 AUD.

Most 1070 models so far are $729 to $799 AUD.

Most 970 & 390 models are $429 to $449 AUD for the last year.

If anyone thinks the 1070 is going to be a sales hit like the 970 was, they will be in for a rude shock. It's simply beyond the affordable range that moves in volume. At $329 on launch, the 970 was only a tiny bit outside the sweetspot of up to $300, lots of gamers can afford a bit more for it. But at $419/$449 USD, it's simply way beyond the sweetspot.

Those waiting for a more volume based GPU from NV has to wait for the 1060Ti or 1060.

An even more fun comparison is 980 tis firsthand are $900AU or so - a 1070 at $800AU is still likely slightly better value, but when it's that close over your previous generation product (that in itself was by no means a price/perf leader)...
 

flynnsk

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Yes, in this brief slice in time that everyone wants to make a big deal of. Most people have patience and will not pay $449 for these cards. I certainly wont, but probably will when a good AIB card is available at $380-390.

I'm referring to release date prices. You seem to have bought yours after Hawaii release. Any cards sold after being replaced by new gen cards are expected to drop in price. If large inventories, low demand, prices will plummet, thats they way things generally pan out.


So, which is it ? "Release Date Prices" ($449) or post release prices ($379).. you are all over the place.
 

faseman

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WOOF those prices! mid range die selling for last gens BIG DIE. If this continues this generation is gonna be a sad joke.
 

sirmo

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Yes, in this brief slice in time that everyone wants to make a big deal of. Most people have patience and will not pay $449 for these cards. I certainly wont, but probably will when a good AIB card is available at $380-390.
Yup this was their plan all along. The FE price is the new MSRP, the MSRP price is just a marketing ploy. The price the cards will eventually reach with some rare cards that could be priced at $379 before then. This is Nvidia.

It's a FreeSync - Gsync thing all over again. Nvidia can extort because they know there are enough of those who are willing to pay for it.

If there was no AMD to challenge they'd be doing the same thing Intel is doing with $1700 CPUs.
 
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Vesku

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I'm referring to release date prices. You seem to have bought yours after Hawaii release. Any cards sold after being replaced by new gen cards are expected to drop in price. If large inventories, low demand, prices will plummet, thats they way things generally pan out.

7950 was fairly often available for $200-250 about 9 months after release. Might see something similar happen with the 1070.
 

amenx

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So, which is it ? "Release Date Prices" ($449) or post release prices ($379).. you are all over the place.
No I am not all over the place, you choose to twist it that way. He was speaking of getting a 7950 for $180 near the end of its product cycle, a time when manufacturers typically clear out stocks to make way for a new line.
 

amenx

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7950 was fairly often available for $200-250 about 9 months after release. Might see something similar happen with the 1070.
Well after a brief look at some 7950 prices, a Gigabyte 7950 owner was boasting of picking up his $250 from Newegg 'after taxes' in 10/2013.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125414

This was a month before Hawaii release and which I presume would be typical prices for the 7950 line. Sure some may be able to find special deals for lower, but I doubt $180 was 'typical' or representative of the 7950 price at the time.

Bottom line, this will determine 1070s price: volume manufacturing and/or AMD coming out with a surprise performer which could knock the 1070 even below $379. Either way, the 1070 is not AMDs FuryX moment, producing a product that almost nobody wanted at the price nor available in decent supplies for a long time after release. It doesnt have difficult to get gddr5x nor HBM. If 16nm FF is hard to produce in volume for an extended period, yes prices may indeed be above $420-440. But my crystal ball is no better or worse than anyone else on how things pan out a few weeks from now.

Any further mention over 1070 prices must take whatever the competitions price points were at the same points in time after release. On release day, weeks later, or near end of its product cycle. Taking end cycle prices and comparing it to newly released products is ridiculous.
 
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2blzd

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That's nice if you can get a 1070 for $379.

As expected, most models are ~$419 USD onwards, above the MSRP.


Again, things have panned out EXACTLY like nvidia said they would. Only FE cards launched today for $449, June 10th, just like their slides show, with AIB NON-FEs to follow after for $379. Can you show me a non-FE for $419? Cause I only see FE's for $449, which was exactly what they said they would be.
 
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Cookie Monster

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The 1070 is a real killer card for the price. Potential upgrade for me in the next 2 months. These can also hit 2~2.1GHz overclocks which makes it that much sweeter (YMMV of course).

I think in the coming months we will see prices settle with more stocks and more options to choose from as per norm. I mean its only been a couple weeks for the 1080 and day 1 for 1070.
 
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