NVIDIA Geforce GTX 1070 Thread

[tential]

Has anyone ever been able to answer what holds certain Nvidia cards back from OCing and why Nvidia does it?

Sometimes we see cards CLEARLY not thermal limited and they can't go further?

What holds them back? I'm talking about the mid tier cards here?

Specifically this part here:

With 100% fan speed, and this overclock achieved above 2GHz the maximum GPU temperature was only 60c. This means temperature is not holding back the potential of the overclock here on the Founders Edition as long as the fan is turned up to a speed of 80% - 100% in our testing.

The final overclock therefore we will use for all our testing today is at +230 GPU Offset and +250 memory, which we will go ahead and just call 2046MHz on the GPU (since it was the average GPU clock speed) and 9GHz on the memory.

 

[Qwertilot]

Maybe it risks damaging the card long term or something.

Mostly I think they're very happy leaving bleeding edge overclocking to the AIB's to do/support. Lets them field those very expensive SKUs which is good for brand cachet etc.

 

[LTC8K6]

Has anyone ever been able to answer what holds certain Nvidia cards back from OCing and why Nvidia does it?

Sometimes we see cards CLEARLY not thermal limited and they can't go further?

What holds them back? I'm talking about the mid tier cards here?

Specifically this part here:

Probably power limited on the FE cards?

 

[happy medium]

Has anyone ever been able to answer what holds certain Nvidia cards back from OCing and why Nvidia does it?

Sometimes we see cards CLEARLY not thermal limited and they can't go further?

What holds them back? I'm talking about the mid tier cards here?

Specifically this part here:

It seems Maxwell had the same limit. My Gigabyte G1 gaming 960 4gb will not exceed 50c with high fan speeds @ max overclock.
My power target goes up to 135% I use 112%, offset min. .138v max, offset max is .100v
I set the offset min to.037 and she does 1550 core. I don't touch the offset max.
Seems to be a chip limitation for me.

 

[Sweepr]

Edit: Titan talk moved to new thread.

 

[kraatus77]

They can't even deliver small gp104 in good enough quantities it's not even available in many areas yet. and thinking about gp102.

yeah, not coming for another 3-4 months at least.

 

[tviceman]

Has anyone ever been able to answer what holds certain Nvidia cards back from OCing and why Nvidia does it?

Sometimes we see cards CLEARLY not thermal limited and they can't go further?

What holds them back? I'm talking about the mid tier cards here?

Specifically this part here:

Either the bios artificially limiting OC or the chips are hitting the current mhz ceiling of TSMC finfet. Does anyone know for sure if GP104 is on 16nm or the newer 16+?

 

[Qwertilot]

Well Titan == very low volume indeed (surely?) and they can physically produce the rather bigger GP100, so I suppose they could, although yields maybe not fun!

The presumed enormous price on the thing would also mean it wouldn't risk devaluing the 1080 very much.

Still, hard to see why they would. Pascal seems to have two years to run until Volta and there's no pressure for AMD time wise, so Titan just before Xmas followed by the 1080ti/a potential full reorganisation in Spring would seem logical.
(Maxwell was 6 months to Titan, a further 3 to the 980ti.).

 

[Headfoot]

The question isn't whether they will make a consumer big die Pascal available but when and for how much. There has been a small contingent of people acting like maybe one won't show up, to support their "1080 is definitely the highest of high end guys." It's definitely going to happen. I'll watch that video of moonbogg eating catfood if im proven wrong.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get a double Titan approach. GP102 earlier in 16nm, basically 50% more 1080 like the 980 Ti to 980 comparison. And later in the 16nm generation, 9-12~ months before Volta, we finally get a consumer (marketed as "prosumer") GP100.

 

[Qwertilot]

That might actually be a 'proper' prosumer card if they do that with GP100

I'd a vague impression that it wouldn't be much (if at all?) faster in games than GP102 but obviously very much faster at some things!

 

[selni]

Wouldn't expect to see GP100 in a gaming chip, there's too much of the die wasted on FP64 etc (to the point it's FP32 performance won't be a whole ton better than GP104). GP102 or whatever seems inevitable though.

 

[Sweepr]

Here comes custom Geforce GTX 980 Ti price drops:

www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127912&cm_re=gtx_980_ti-_-14-127-912-_-Product

 

[sze5003]

Hmm I knew the 980ti prices would drop. I'm still hesitant on what I want to get. Either a custom 1070 or a custom Rx 480 then just sell that and get Vega when it's out. I plan on using my card for a while.

 

[Stuka87]

Nvidia GP102 Titan coming soon

Despite AMD is telling the world that the $649.99 Geforce 1080 is too expensive, Nvidia partners insist they can sell as many cards as Nvidia can supply. Now there is a faster version coming, based on GP102 even bigger graphics chip. We don’t have many details about GP102 other than it is fast enough for Nvidia to call it Titan. There is a chance that there will be a Geforce GTX 1080 Ti branding but our sources are telling us that Titan is more likely.

Boutique vendors including Origin PC, Maingear, Falcon Northwest, Velocity micro and a few others tell us they cannot get enough of the high end cards, as this is what their customers want. Now with the fade out of the original Titan and the fact that Geforce GTX 1080 is faster than the original Titan card, there is a space for a new card.

We expect that the card will sell for $999 and people are willing to pay for it. Our sources are confident that this is a really big chip, much bigger than the GP104 with its 314 square mm and yet smaller than gigantic GP100 used for Pascal supercomputer cards. This is a bigger Pascal based chip, manufactured using TSMC's 16nm FinFET process with more Cuda cores enabled compared to the GP104 and Geforce GTX 1080.

This is not a HBM 2.0 card, as far as we know, the card will use GDDR5X memory. If it does even a bit better than the Geforce 1080, which was the most successful high end selling product in more than a decade, then Nvidia will be laughing all the way to the bank.

www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/40901-nvidia-gp102-titan-coming-soon

I doubt we will see this anytime soon. They are putting all big dies towards their big HPC customers. And even the much smaller GP104 is in very limited quantities still. Plus per typical nVidia marketing, they are not wanting to compete with themselves. Have everybody buy the current card, then release the bigger card.

I also find it comical that they state that the 1080 has been the most successful high end selling card in a decade when its been out for only three weeks, with limited quantities, and no sales numbers.

 

[Qwertilot]

I'm sure there are sales figures being tracked in various places Whether the person writing that article knew anything about any of them is another matter!

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Here comes custom Geforce GTX 980 Ti price drops:

www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127912&cm_re=gtx_980_ti-_-14-127-912-_-Product

You can get a brand new Classified 980 Ti from newegg's ebay store for $410.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-GeForc...190812?hash=item43ec4bab1c:g:TtAAAOSwh-1W5Ciy

 

[SteveGrabowski]

1070 prices really suck. The MSI Armor card is $450, I bet their Gaming X 1070 ends up being marked up to at least $480. EVGA's ACX 3.0 is $420, for a $40 bump over the alleged $380 MSRP for the card. The 1080 prices are reasonable outside of the Founders Edition and the MSI Gaming X, but the 1070 prices are all significantly above $380. So now we're getting a MASSIVELY cut down 70 series for almost what the Titan equivalent sold for 5 years ago. These prices are definitely going to make me wait for Vega just out of spite.

 

[Sweepr]

You can get a brand new Classified 980 Ti from newegg's ebay store for $410.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-GeForc...190812?hash=item43ec4bab1c:g:TtAAAOSwh-1W5Ciy

Personally I'd rather buy a custom Geforce GTX 1070 for similar price, whenever they are available, but that's a very nice deal.

 

[SlitheryDee]

1070 prices really suck. The MSI Armor card is $450, I bet their Gaming X 1070 ends up being marked up to at least $480. EVGA's ACX 3.0 is $420, for a $40 bump over the alleged $380 MSRP for the card. The 1080 prices are reasonable outside of the Founders Edition and the MSI Gaming X, but the 1070 prices are all significantly above $380. So now we're getting a MASSIVELY cut down 70 series for almost what the Titan equivalent sold for 5 years ago. These prices are definitely going to make me wait for Vega just out of spite.

I don't think I would expect $380 1070s to show up in large quantities for a little while yet though. We're still only 5 days past launch.

 

[Genx87]

They can't even deliver small gp104 in good enough quantities it's not even available in many areas yet. and thinking about gp102.

yeah, not coming for another 3-4 months at least.

Im assuming this will do battle with AMDs big chip. So not until the end of year at earliest. Most likely next Spring.

 

[tviceman]

1070 prices really suck. The MSI Armor card is $450, I bet their Gaming X 1070 ends up being marked up to at least $480. EVGA's ACX 3.0 is $420, for a $40 bump over the alleged $380 MSRP for the card. The 1080 prices are reasonable outside of the Founders Edition and the MSI Gaming X, but the 1070 prices are all significantly above $380. So now we're getting a MASSIVELY cut down 70 series for almost what the Titan equivalent sold for 5 years ago. These prices are definitely going to make me wait for Vega just out of spite.

MSI prices are out of control. The founders edition scam pricing and lack of any competition is giving AIBs all the fodder they need to gouge customers. Worst pricing vs. the announced MSRP that I've ever seen at a new launch.

 

[Sweepr]

More price cuts, probably just the beginning:

In the last 24 hours the prices of many GTX 900 cards has dropped by almost 20%. According to the information provided by HWI, GeForce GTX 900 series receive the following price cuts:

GeForce GTX 980 Ti: 125 USD
GeForce GTX 980: 75 USD
GeForce GTX 970: 25 USD

Partnered shops and distributors have already applied their rebates, which means you should be able to see much lower prices for those cards in Europe. Price change will take effect worldwide in a matter of hours or days.

http://videocardz.com/61116/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti-gtx-980-and-gtx-970-receive-a-price-cut
http://nl.hardware.info/nieuws/48339/nvidia-heeft-prijzen-gtx-980-ti-980-en-970-verlaagd

 

[Raising]

Still managed to sell both my 980tis for 910€.. now I either get a single 1080, a 1070 or two 1070s.

Damn hard to decide, leaning towards a single 1070 then sell it for a 1080ti.

 

[Thinker_145]

Still managed to sell both my 980tis for 910€.. now I either get a single 1080, a 1070 or two 1070s.

Damn hard to decide, leaning towards a single 1070 then sell it for a 1080ti.

I don't get this? If you wanted to just get 1 1070 you might as well have just sold 1 980Ti. :|

 

[Raising]

I don't get this? If you wanted to just get 1 1070 you might as well have just sold 1 980Ti. :|

The 980ti is dropping in price more and more.

I can get a 1070 for the same price I sold a 980ti or less, consumes less power, has 2gb of extra vram, runs cooler and makes no noise compared to an oced 980ti, misc new tech support, better dx12 performance and probably better driver support in the future.