NVIDIA Geforce GTX 1070 Thread

[Tumaras]

Galax is one of the first that have now said their baseline 1070 will be at or close to the $379 pricepoint. It's expected after we've already now seen EVGA 1080 pricing be lower than FE pricing. So more and more we're getting confirmation despite the doom and gloomers that AIB cards will be at or close to MSRP ($379 and $599) and go up from there for better cooling options, not $449 and $699 and up. Otherwise it artificially skews trying to make value comparisons when folks are overestimating 1070/1080 prices with FE as a starting point. Unless money is no object, just be patient and give it another 2-3 weeks. These FE will probably start hitting ebay then as people try to swap for better AIB models.

 

[Head1985]

Ya, that's all true. From a historical performance, both the 1070 and 1080 are far worse than 670/680 were if you look at it that way. 1070 is akin to a 660Ti now because of the performance deficit to the 1080.

You'd be absolutely correct that if judging Pascal to Kepler, 1070/1080 are underwhelming performance and pricing wise.

Ya, 1070 should be $299 and 1080 should be $499 like 660Ti and 680 were but with no competition from AMD, it is how it is now.

At least I can accept the $80 premium over the 660Ti and $50 premium over the 970 for the 1070 since it performs so well at 1440p considering today's games. 1080 OTOH is not worth its asking price, not even at $599. Looking at DX12 benchmarks, Pascal didn't fix Maxwell's issues and that's because Pascal is basically Maxwell on Speed (by speed I mean 14nm node clocks). This opens up a lot of headroom for NV to make a proper DX12 Async Compute card with Volta. Either way, considering AMD has Vega for 2017, unless Polaris 10 over delivers (Fury X performance for $299), NV's got the $380-$1000 market locked down for 2016. Even if AMD lowered Fury x to $299, it's still not worth to buy that over the $380 1070.

Yes kepler was better in every aspect and 1070 is just GTX660TI it should be GTX1060TI.It is shame that reviewers dont see this or dont want to see this.

 

[MagickMan]

I wouldn't upgrade from a 980Ti.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrRhV6qfrr0

980Ti OC is awesome, no doubt but it's not possible to buy it for $380-400 new. The cheapest I can find local is $400 USD used.

I'm saying that a used 980Ti for $400-450, depending on model, is a better deal than the 1070. The one I posted earlier is just a rather generic MSI G6 Gaming, not really that exotic in terms of aftermarket designs, and one of the most widely available. It does have two 8-pin PCI-E connectors though, which I've found is vital for >1500MHz OCs, unless you can find a card with a >75% ASIC GPU (the card I posted is 72.1%), which are quite rare. It'll do 1525, but only with 100mV to it, and I think that's too much for day-to-day use, even under water.

 

[tential]

I'm saying that a used 980Ti for $400-450, depending on model, is a better deal than the 1070. The one I posted earlier is just a rather generic MSI G6 Gaming, not really that exotic in terms of aftermarket designs, and one of the most widely available. It does have two 8-pin PCI-E connectors though, which I've found is vital for >1500MHz OCs, unless you can find a card with a >75% ASIC GPU (the card I posted is 72.1%), which are quite rare. It'll do 1525, but only with 100mV to it, and I think that's too much for day-to-day use, even under water.

Buying a used 980Ti to bank on a 1500+ OC is an insane idea compared to getting a new GTX1070 for cheaper than $450 when the AIB models come out and using that. That's a far better deal, more VRAM, latest architecture, and actual driver updates/support in the future unlike Maxwell.

 

[monstercameron]

Buying a used 980Ti to bank on a 1500+ OC is an insane idea compared to getting a new GTX1070 for cheaper than $450 when the AIB models come out and using that. That's a far better deal, more VRAM, latest architecture, and actual driver updates/support in the future unlike Maxwell.

that's harsh...

 

[amenx]

Yes kepler was better in every aspect and 1070 is just GTX660TI it should be GTX1060TI.It is shame that reviewers dont see this or dont want to see this.

I could just imagine AMD HQ cringing at the thought of the 1070 being called the 1060ti and being priced $329. What could they possibly come up with to match it at or near the price? An 8gb FuryX equivalent @ $299? Is anyone that optimistic for Polaris?

 

[MagickMan]

Buying a used 980Ti to bank on a 1500+ OC is an insane idea compared to getting a new GTX1070 for cheaper than $450 when the AIB models come out and using that. That's a far better deal, more VRAM, latest architecture, and actual driver updates/support in the future unlike Maxwell.

Nope. Even at a tame OC of 1400, which every 980TI can do, it's faster than an OC'd 1070, due to the latter's TDP limits and narrow memory bus. At 1500+ it simply crushes the 1070. Look at my FSE results, it's only 5% behind the 1080.

Provided you can get a used one for cheap, and many on CL and ebay are (because people are generally ignorant), the 980TI is the better value. Then wait and buy big Pascal, or possibly Vega, when it's available, because that's going to be the real 4K GPU.

 

[tential]

Nope. Even at a tame OC of 1400, which every 980TI can do, it's faster than an OC'd 1070, due to the latter's TDP limits and narrow memory bus. At 1500+ it simply crushes the 1070. Look at my FSE results, it's only 5% behind the 1080.

Provided you can get a used one for cheap, and many on CL and ebay are (because people are generally ignorant), the 980TI is the better value. Then wait and buy big Pascal, or possibly Vega, when it's available, because that's going to be the real 4K GPU.

I'm not and never will look at firestrike. Show me some games things I can actually play.

 

[tential]

that's harsh...

This notion that Nvidia cant find something to put in their game works suite that favors pascal and not maxwell is insane. Nvidia is a business designed to sell new cards especially at the high end.

Expecting Nvidia to prioritize maxwell while they're working on pascal is crazy. Nvidia no doubt will spend as much time working on pascal drivers as possible with 1070/1080 gpus to make sure the upcoming pascal Titan has great performance.

 

[MagickMan]

that's harsh...

and absurd, since that won't make a cumulative difference for some time, certainly not before GP102 comes out. NV knows most GM200 owners aren't upgrading until big Pascal, that'll be their "carrot".

 

[MagickMan]

I'm not and never will look at firestrike. Show me some games things I can actually play.

That's convenient for you, isn't it? Since game benchmark scores will vary wildly based on CPU/platform and reviewers aren't going out of their way to compare the 1070 to an OC'd 980Ti (they're only showing stock clocks). I'm not going to buy a 1070 just so I can win an argument vs a stubborn person on the internet. :\

At least FSE compares apples to apples by giving an independent graphics score, using the most common API functions. You know, the main reason that benchmark exists in the first place.

This notion that Nvidia cant find something to put in their game works suite that favors pascal and not maxwell is insane. Nvidia is a business designed to sell new cards especially at the high end.

Except that, functionally, Pascal is Maxwell, only shrunk down with a few extra VR-specific additions, making that virtually impossible.

 

[Sweepr]

Buying a used 980Ti to bank on a 1500+ OC is an insane idea compared to getting a new GTX1070 for cheaper than $450 when the AIB models come out and using that. That's a far better deal, more VRAM, latest architecture, and actual driver updates/support in the future unlike Maxwell.

Agreed. Even if a highly overclocked Geforce GTX 980 Ti might beat a custom Geforce GTX 1070 OCed by a few % (still unknown), I would never opt for an older architecture (especially NVIDIA), less VRAM and much higher power consumption. I think it's going to be an insanely popular card, especially for current GM204 and Fermi/Kepler users.

 

[MagickMan]

Agreed. Even if a highly overclocked Geforce GTX 980 Ti might beat a custom Geforce GTX 1070 OCed by a few % (still unkown)

It's not unknown, on OC'd 980Ti beats the 1070 by 10-20%, due to the 1070's TDP limitations producing meager OCs, that's hardly "a few %". It's practically an entire GPU tier.

I wouldn't pay more than $400-450 for a used 980Ti, depending on the model (probably no more than $380 for a reference), but I wouldn't drop $400 on a 1070, either.

 

[IEC]

The real question is, will aftermarket cards with improved power delivery and increased TDP allow for substantially better OC? If it still maxes out just a tad north of 2GHz it's not going to be worth upgrading to if you have anything remotely high performance already.

 

[tential]

It's not unknown, on OC'd 980Ti beats the 1070 by 10-20%, due to the 1070's TDP limitations producing meager OCs, that's hardly "a few %". It's practically an entire GPU tier.

I wouldn't pay more than $400-450 for a used 980Ti, depending on the model (probably no more than $380 for a reference), but I wouldn't drop $400 on a 1070, either.

Then show proof of the max oc 980ti beating a 1070 max oc by 10-20%.

Where are the game benchmarks where you can point to.

Otherwise it's just guesswork.

 

[MagickMan]

Then show proof of the max oc 980ti beating a 1070 max oc by 10-20%.

Where are the game benchmarks where you can point to.

Otherwise it's just guesswork.

You ignore the only benchmark that directly compares the two (in terms of raw graphics performance). Why should I go any further out of my way for you? :\

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=38255921&postcount=32

 

[TestKing123]

You ignore the only benchmark that directly compares the two (in terms of raw graphics performance). Why should I go any further out of my way for you? :\

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=38255921&postcount=32

Because this is a crap comparison not even on the same system, meanwhile every established reputable benchmark on the planet shows a 1070 ahead of a 980Ti even when overclocked. Who's really ignoring the benchmarks here?

 

[x3sphere]

Because this is a crap comparison not even on the same system, meanwhile every established reputable benchmark on the planet shows a 1070 ahead of a 980Ti even when overclocked. Who's really ignoring the benchmarks here?

https://youtu.be/eMr7grvBljk?t=141

Reference 980 Ti OC (1452 MHz) vs reference 1070 OC (1903 MHz)

The Ti is ahead by up to around 15% in these benches, but looks to be a 6% difference on average.

Having said that he got a pretty low OC on the 1070 - don't most hit 2 GHz? Either way the Ti would still be ahead slightly. I'm not sure I could recommend buying the Ti at same price point however, for the slight gain in perf you lose the extra VRAM and future driver optimizations that probably will benefit Pascal more.

 

[linkgoron]

https://youtu.be/eMr7grvBljk?t=141

Reference 980 Ti OC (1452 MHz) vs reference 1070 OC (1903 MHz)

The Ti is ahead by up to around 15% in these benches, but looks to be a 6% difference on average.

Having said that he got a pretty low OC on the 1070 - don't most hit 2 GHz? Either way the Ti would still be ahead slightly. I'm not sure I could recommend buying the Ti at same price point however, for the slight gain in perf you lose the extra VRAM and future driver optimizations that probably will benefit Pascal more.

Note that he benches only after 20 minutes of warmup, and actually tests inside a case instead of doing an open bench, so it's not surprising that his 1070 results are lower.

 

[tential]

You ignore the only benchmark that directly compares the two (in terms of raw graphics performance). Why should I go any further out of my way for you? :\

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=38255921&postcount=32

It's not apples to apples and it's in 1 benchmark case that is a synthetic and not an actual case of gaming. Since you can't play that benchmark there is no point using it as a reference point it's just a score... A score that means what? Where is the data the frametimes? You want me to go off of a score of an unplayable benchmark that is arbitrary in meaning? No, that's not how we figure out whether a gpu is good at gaming.

What we do is we test that gpu at those games and see how it performs. So find have data backing your claims showing the 980ti max vs the 1070 max oc in gaming benches. Not to mention aib 1070s that will hopefully be priced below 450 will be on the market one day.

We haven't even seen how well the 1070 clocks when I to is rid of the horrible reference cooler. Aib models will oc well and 1070 aib vs 980ti aib it's no contest which one you pick.

Seriously to anyone who may be reading this. The 1070 aib is cheaper than 450, on Nvidia's newest architecture where you will have priority driver updates for as long as possible, lower power consumption, easier to cool, all while using the robust aib coolers that were already enough to cool the more power hungry cards of last gen, please don't get suckered into buying someone's 980ti.
Get your aib 1070, enjoy the new goodies Nvidia throws your way, ensure its a good deal (read reviews get the best board/cooler for under 450) and enjoy the latest and greatest.

Do NOT get stuck on the 980ti.

I'm telling you now you'll regret it. Seriously might as well get a cheaper used nano or a cheaper used fury x/fury. The 980ti is barely holding on as it is.

 

[Kris194]

Yes kepler was better in every aspect and 1070 is just GTX660TI it should be GTX1060TI.It is shame that reviewers dont see this or dont want to see this.

You're right but what can we do? Without competition nothing will change. Too bad that it's not 2008 anymore. Right now, it's like "you pay or you don't play".

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/82582-nvidia-drops-prices-on-geforce-gtx-280-and-260

 

[sam_816]

I think drivers will pull 1070 ahead of 980ti in a couple of months with newer games..

sent from Nokia Lumia 1520 using tapatalk

 

[MagickMan]

Because this is a crap comparison not even on the same system,

Halt. That's why I'm only looking at the graphics score, not the overall system score, (see the red block in my screen cap?), which isn't as impacted by the system. Any modern system will get about the same graphics score, because that highlights the GPU.

 

[MagickMan]

It's not apples to apples and it's in 1 benchmark case that is a synthetic and not an actual case of gaming. Since you can't play that benchmark there is no point using it as a reference point it's just a score... A.... blah... blah

I stopped reading there, because you don't understand how such benchmarks work or why they even exist, and trying to do so would be a waste of my time.

Having said that he got a pretty low OC on the 1070 - don't most hit 2 GHz?

1950 seems to be about the average for the 1070 FE. It appears the cooler isn't as robust as the one for the 1080, though they're cosmetically the same, which isn't surprising.

 

[Xenochus]

1070 will cost significantly less than 980Ti. Even if you compare it to the 980, the 980 looks awful. The $379 1070 is 35% faster than the $549 Sept 2014 980. Just a month ago, 980 was still selling for $430+. 980 will go down as one of the worst cards ever made. The only thing 3 things the 980 will ever be known for are:

1) amazing perf/watt within the Maxwell line.
2) worst buy ever against 970, 970 SLI, 290X, 290/290X CF;
3) destroyed 9 months later by a $100 more expensive 980Ti.

Everything other than perf/watt for the 980 was underwhelming.

1070 is the opposite. Even though 1070 is a bigger gap against 1080, in the current market its performance is a slam dunk for 1080/1440p 60Hz and 1070 SLI is again superior to a single 1080 for 4K just like 970SLi was against the 980 for 1440p. Both cards have 64 ROPs and the same 8GB of VRAM. 1070 is going to be less picky about requiring more than a single 8-pin connector due to having just a 150W TDP. This will make it easier to find cheaper 1070 cards than 1080 cards. If any AIBs release a 1070 with GDDR5X, 1080 is finished.

RS,

Interesting. What do you think about some people (namely those on SemiAccurate's forum http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8757&page=155) who are carping about the 1070 (and by extension Pascal's) alleged under performance in DX12 games v.s. AMD's Fury ( and by extension Polaris/Vega) as well? What's your take on the longevity of the 1070 for future DX12 games next year?