NVIDIA Geforce GTX 1070 Thread

[Borisi]

Looking at caseking.de... Founders at 500 euros, MSI Gaming X 530€, Asus Strix 550€... More than 600$ for a custom card in Europe. Great job, nvidia, great job.

Worst paper launch ever.

 

[Head1985]

Those prices in EU..
It is indeed 50-60% more expensive than GTX970...

 

[96Firebird]

Looking at caseking.de... Founders at 500 euros, MSI Gaming X 530€, Asus Strix 550€... More than 600$ for a custom card in Europe. Great job, nvidia, great job.

Worst paper launch ever.

These are prices that include VAT...

 

[happy medium]

Looking at caseking.de... Founders at 500 euros, MSI Gaming X 530€, Asus Strix 550€... More than 600$ for a custom card in Europe. Great job, nvidia, great job.

Worst paper launch ever.

Welcome to the forums.

SInce your new I'll let you in on a little secret. 99% of the time when the newest fastest cards on the planet come out and they have no real competition, retailers will price gouge and people will still buy them.

Don't ask me why but that's just how it is.

And I see prices even suck more in Europe with your crazy tax system. I feel sorry for ya man.

 

[sze5003]

Looking at caseking.de... Founders at 500 euros, MSI Gaming X 530€, Asus Strix 550€... More than 600$ for a custom card in Europe. Great job, nvidia, great job.

Worst paper launch ever.

Yea don't try and buy now. I'm going to wait because there will be price gouging for the next month or more. I don't expect AIB models to be out by the end of this month anyway. This does give me time to spend money upgrading the rest of my rig now.

The initial price is never worth it except if you just have tons of money to blow.

 

[misuspita]

True, but I just have a bad feeling we are either going to see a repeat of Titan/780-> 780Ti milking or even more likely a price increase for the 1080Ti beyond $699. I mean NV is selling out of $699 FE 1080, do you expect them to price 1080Ti for anything below $799?

Or, if Vega is indeed coming in October and with better perf, will put nVidia in check, just like it did before...

Noone will pay 800 for a board if they can buy another one better or equal at 5-600

What does this have to do with 1070 reviews?

-Rvenger

 

[Borisi]

Yea don't try and buy now. I'm going to wait because there will be price gouging for the next month or more. I don't expect AIB models to be out by the end of this month anyway. This does give me time to spend money upgrading the rest of my rig now.

The initial price is never worth it except if you just have tons of money to blow.

Yeah, I know but i was expecting like 450-470 euros for a custom card (which is bad enough). This is ludicrous, even official prices on EVGA store are 489€ for the ACX card, only 10 euros less than the founders. The 1080 ACX is 110 euros cheaper than the Founders.

This is going to be a fiasco.

 

[happy medium]

Or, if Vega is indeed coming in October and with better perf, will put nVidia in check, just like it did before...

Noone will pay 800 for a board if they can buy another one better or equal at 5-600

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[Rvenger]

Lets get with reality here folks.....
You think Vega will put Big Pascal in check in Oct.?
In the past years what card has put the 780ti/980/980ti in check? 290x? Fury? Not by a long shot.
If we are talking a high performance buyer such as a Vega buyer with deep pockets and can afford the fastest cards.......why would you buy the second fastest and if you cared about the heat output in the past few years, its no contest.

What does this have to do with 1070 reviews? Absolutely nothing so leave it out of here.

-Rvenger

 

[happy medium]

My math is not the best.... the 970 was 330$ and was a great deal correct?
If the 1070 61% faster as you say. At what price would make it an equal deal to the 330$ 970?
So 330$ + 61% =190$ ?
330$ +190$ (61%) =520$

450$ seems ok to me and 380$ is unbelievable for a 1070, especially with 2x the Vram @ 8gb, lower power usage ,and the added feature set of Pascal.

So was my math wrong?

 

[happy medium]

What does this have to do with 1070 reviews? Absolutely nothing so leave it out of here.

-Rvenger

Sorry looks like the Vega question took me off topic.
thanks:thumbsup: corrected

 

[Zstream]

So was my math wrong?

You can't have math based on devalued hardware. A brand new 2015 car will cost less than a 2017 with identical specs. I'm. It sure of the devalued percentage.

 

[xthetenth]

So was my math wrong?

It's been customary for new generations of products to increase the performance of a single part without increasing the price much. After all, my 290 didn't cost multiple times the price of an 8800 GTX.

 

[crisium]

My math is not the best.... the 970 was 330$ and was a great deal correct?
If the 1070 61% faster as you say. At what price would make it an equal deal to the 330$ 970?
So 330$ + 61% =190$ ?
330$ +190$ (61%) =520$

450$ seems ok to me and 380$ is unbelievable for a 1070, especially with 2x the Vram @ 8gb, lower power usage ,and the added feature set of Pascal.

This is a new node. 970 nearly matched 780 Ti on the same node at launch (nowadays it is equal or faster) on the same node with less power usage. Quite remarkable. 1070 vis-a-vis 980Ti is more favorable this time around to the x70 card, but it's a new node so this is expected.

$450 is not ok by any stretch. It seems ok because it would be $520 if it had the same performance-per-dollar (ppd) as 970? Ppd must improve drastically every generation, otherwise we would be spending tens of thousands of dollars on GPUs relative to performance last decade. Heck, just go back 3 years when the GTX 780 was $650. This is twice as fast. Would $1100 then seem ok for the 1070 since it's still better ppd?

I'm looking at old node changes too, hence the 660 Ti comparison at $300. 1070 seems certainly closer to the 660 Ti then the 670 (relative to 1080 and 680):
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_660_Ti_Direct_Cu_II/images/perfrel_2560.gif

But again the 660 Ti launched after 7950/7870, so I completely understand $380 in the context of first. Even at $380 it is a large improvement in PPD, so it's not the end of the world, but with inflation very low one might hope for $310-$330 or so on the 1070 if there was actual competition.

I hope competition helps prices later this year or next. Some milk is expected, and certainly the 1070 still seems awesome especially compared to the 1080. I'm not complaining too hard about $380, mostly $450 which is silly and only $100 or so off some 980 Ti deals anyway.

 

[Headfoot]

I will be waiting to see Polaris final numbers, but I may be able to sell both 290s for the price of a quality aftermarket 1070 and then resell that again after 9-12 months when Vega/Big Pascal come out and get the performance I'm really after. That way I will at least eliminate Crossfire wonkiness and day 1 inconsistency for the interim, and I doubt the 1070 will lose much resale value in the meantime.

We'll have to see what vendors are shipping with the most overclockable GDDR5. My current 290's have that garbage RAM that won't overclock even 25 mhz over stock so I really don't want that again.

 

[sze5003]

I will be waiting to see Polaris final numbers, but I may be able to sell both 290s for the price of a quality aftermarket 1070 and then resell that again after 9-12 months when Vega/Big Pascal come out and get the performance I'm really after. That way I will at least eliminate Crossfire wonkiness and day 1 inconsistency for the interim, and I doubt the 1070 will lose much resale value in the meantime.

We'll have to see what vendors are shipping with the most overclockable GDDR5. My current 290's have that garbage RAM that won't overclock even 25 mhz over stock so I really don't want that again.

I am also waiting for the polaris results for the 480 first. I won't be able to sell my current card for much so I figure I can keep it as a back up.

 

[happy medium]

It seems ok because it would be $520 if it had the same performance-per-dollar (ppd) as 970?

So can we meet in the middle at 415$?
I think we will easily see 1070's at 415$ when all the price gouging is over.

Just hit the 1070 buy button at Evga's site, it must be swamped, I cant get in

 

[littleg]

So was my math wrong?

Start it from the Voodoo cards instead of the 970 and we'd be looking at about a million dollars for a 1070. :thumbsup:

 

[sze5003]

So can we meet in the middle at 415$?
I think we will easily see 1070's at 415$ when all the price gouging is over.

Yea I was hoping they would actually be $389 or so but probably not with custom AIB vendors. Then again it's a matter of do I really want to spend over $400 colored to a amd 480? For as long as I've kept my current card I think the 1070 would be a better value for me, especially if I get a 1440p monitor this summer.

 

[crisium]

Certainly in the face of no competition other than in-brand 980 Ti comparisons I agree that $415 is nice for an equal speed card with lower wattage, more VRAM, and more features.

Indeed, the Nvidia competition with itself is really all that's at play here. I do wonder though how many users bought a 970 for $330, are happy with a 60%+ improvement, but still walk with trepidation about spending $380 or $415 or $450 or w/e for an upgrade. Even if Vega never comes eventually there should be rebates for quality AIB 1070s well below $380 eventually to entice these people. But relatively low initial supply, and initially high demand, so yeah this price is fair.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I'd be much more likely to wait for the 480 if we could get some real benchmarks on them. They expect us to wait around on with no solid info.

 

[swilli89]

Have any of the reviews included VR testing? I'm really excited to see the huge numbers Pascal is supposed to put up. Apparently will be twice as fast as Titan X and only use about 100W.. why aren't more people excited for this! ....

 

[happy medium]

Start it from the Voodoo cards instead of the 970 and we'd be looking at about a million dollars for a 1070. :thumbsup:

or we can start with the Fury X last year for 650$ released 11 months ago vs the 1070.

quote: "Still, both cards play in a league of their own, being nearly twice as power efficient as AMD's Fury X"
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/29.html

quote:
"AMD's fastest, the R9 Fury X, is 14% behind" for 200$/270$ more money
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/29.html

quote:
"New NVIDIA technologies: Ansel, FastSync, HEVC Video, and VR"
"HDMI 2.0b, DisplayPort 1.4"
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/29.html

and 2x the Vram at 8gb.

I think that's quite a leap from 11 months ago.
what do you think?

 

[littleg]

or we can start with the Fury X last year for 650$ released 11 months ago vs the 1070.

quote: "Still, both cards play in a league of their own, being nearly twice as power efficient as AMD's Fury X"
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/29.html

quote:
"AMD's fastest, the R9 Fury X, is 14% behind" for 200$/270$ less
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/29.html

quote:
"New NVIDIA technologies: Ansel, FastSync, HEVC Video, and VR"
"HDMI 2.0b, DisplayPort 1.4"
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/29.html

and 2x the Vram at 8gb.

Um, ok.

 

[antihelten]

So can we meet in the middle at 415$?
I think we will easily see 1070's at 415$ when all the price gouging is over.

Just hit the 1070 buy button at Evga's site, it must be swamped, I cant get in

Honestly whether or not you consider the price of the 1070 (and the 1080) to be fair would depend entirely upon what kind of improvement in Perf/$ you as a consumer expect.

Personally I would expect about 30% per year, so with the 1070 being released 21 months after the 970, that would be equal to about 58% improvement in perf/$.

The 1070 is roughly 63% faster than a 970, or about 3% more than I expected, and thus I would be willing to accept a 3% price increase, which would put the price at $340. So for me personally the 1070 is about 10% overpriced.

If anyones interested, the perf/$ improvement of the 1070 over the 970 is equal to 22% per year.