NVIDIA Geforce GTX 1070 Thread

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tential

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Not even the FE 1080 now they've fixed the fan curves - for some dumb reason the early review 1080's had a really, really passive fan curve so did drop off their boost clocks.
(So add a bit of noise to the review measurements.).

No idea about the 1070's. Not really a great idea to buy an FE anyway - the better AIB coolers will be notably quieter for the same level of cooling performance.
Why bother guessing? Without knowing exactly what they did and without new reviews we won't know.

Just screw the fe cards anyway. They're terrible. Get a real cooler and enjoy the far superior cooling and overclocking as well as usually cheaper prices than the fe edition. Just wait for a good aib card, never compromise on your cooling solution.
 

tviceman

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Why bother guessing? Without knowing exactly what they did and without new reviews we won't know.

Just screw the fe cards anyway. They're terrible. Get a real cooler and enjoy the far superior cooling and overclocking as well as usually cheaper prices than the fe edition. Just wait for a good aib card, never compromise on your cooling solution.

100% agreed. Don't buy into Nvidia's FE pricing scheme.
 

tviceman

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There will be plenty of choices soon enough.

Yep. People throwing a hissy fit over pricing need to chill out and remember that with virtually every other release that involves previously untouched performance, there has almost always been shortages and price gouging. And like many others on here I don't agree with Nvidia's FE price hike, but all I have to do is NOT buy one. Problem solved! No one is being forced to buy anything.
 

myocardia

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What are you talking about? The need for AA is directly proportionate with PPI not what the resolution is lol.

Please show us all how amazingly intelligent you happen to be, by explaining how PPI has nothing at all to do with a monitor's resolution. We'll be waiting, lol.
 

poohbear

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100% agreed. Don't buy into Nvidia's FE pricing scheme.
Well it's not like ppl can buy one anyways. They're sold-out everywhere inspite of the $100 extra charge. Nvidia knew demand would far outstrip supply, so can anyone blame them for adding $100 to it? Simple supply & demand economics.
 

Thinker_145

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Please show us all how amazingly intelligent you happen to be, by explaining how PPI has nothing at all to do with a monitor's resolution. We'll be waiting, lol.
Wow where did I say that now? Do people have reading comprehension problems here? I said resolution alone has nothing to do with how much aliasing an image will have. A 100" 4K screen will be a jaggy mess so resolution alone is nothing.

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poohbear

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Not at 4k.... I would never waste performance on aa at 4k. The whole reason I run at high resolutions is to get rid of the necessity of AA. That's why I downsample especially as well.

AA is the last option you would improve at 4k resolution. Honestly if I need aa, I'm not adding it. I'm rendering at a higher resolution. Aa is such a bad excuse for rendering at a higher resolution.
Finally someone who gets AA. I'm guessing ur older and remember the days when AA was marketed solely for 640×480 & 800x600. Back then AA was NOT designed for 1080p, but the marketing changed suddenly when 1080p became the norm.
 

Pandasaurus

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Anyone seen anything on the possibility of a non-FE card with a reference cooler? I haven't seen anything yet, and don't particularly want to pay the extra just to get pointy edges.
 

Qwertilot

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Not sure what you mean really FE == the reference cooler (and board.).

If you mean 'basic' cards then yes those exist. Some (relatively!) 'cheap' blowers - no idea how bad/good those are - some things with <FE prices from AIBs with standard coolers.
 

Pandasaurus

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I mean a reference style cooler that doesn't carry the $30+ premium for being called a "Founders Edition" card all because it has pointy edges.

If EVGA releases a Superclocked model with a reference cooler, it would be nice if it didn't list for $470 (Superclocked price + "Founders" premium). Just saying.
 

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 to feature 6GB 192-bit memory?

The first listing shows E2914 board, which is an engineering sample with GP106 processor. According to this data, this sample would sport 6GB &#8216;GDD(5)&#8217; memory:

E2914-A01 SKU0020 GP106 BRING-UP 6GB GDD FUNCTIONAL TEST PCA BOARDS, 699-12914-0020-100

The second listing could explain why there are 6GB models of GP106. It seems that GP106 could feature 192-bit memory bus:

PG410-A01 SKU0030 GP106 192B 128MX32 DP+ COMPUTER GRAPHICS CARDS, 699-1G410-0030-100

Interestingly, the memory size on PG410 board is 4GB. While both boards carry different numbers, they also have different SKUs (20 vs 30). The PG410 SKU 30 could be 4GB model, while SKU 20 would feature 6GB. Of course this is just my theory, but there might be two GP106 products in the making (apart from PG418 board shown in Drive PX 2 module).


http://videocardz.com/61002/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-to-feature-6gb-192-bit-memory
 
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tential

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I mean a reference style cooler that doesn't carry the $30+ premium for being called a "Founders Edition" card all because it has pointy edges.

If EVGA releases a Superclocked model with a reference cooler, it would be nice if it didn't list for $470 (Superclocked price + "Founders" premium). Just saying.
Just for future reference you're referring to blower style cards in case you need help findinf this cooler later
 

myocardia

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Wow where did I say that now? Do people have reading comprehension problems here? I said resolution alone has nothing to do with how much aliasing an image will have. A 100" 4K screen will be a jaggy mess so resolution alone is nothing.

Nobody, including you until this post, was discussing 100" televisions. That is called moving the goalposts, and is a tactic almost solely deployed by the losing/wrong party.

You said:

What are you talking about? The need for AA is directly proportionate with PPI not what the resolution is lol.

Now, please point out the word alone...or any other word in the English language that happens to be a synonym of the word alone, in the post of yours that I quoted. My reply to your post, which you very obviously didn't understand was:

myocardia said:
Please show us all how amazingly intelligent you happen to be, by explaining how PPI has nothing at all to do with a monitor's resolution. We'll be waiting, lol.

How about I reword that for you? Is your utterly brilliant mind able to come up with a way to calculate PPI, without using "what the resolution is (sic)"? If so, I'd love to hear it, lol. See, when Tential said what he did about resolution, he was assuming that you had the intellect to comprehend that that argument would only ever be made when referencing an identical, or at the very least very close to identical, sized monitor/television.


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MiRai

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Not that it means much (and not to detract too much from the topic), but I'll mention that I play on a 42" Wasabi Mango UHD420 at 3840x2160 (~105 PPI), and there is, most certainly, still aliasing in the scene. In some games, 2x MSAA isn't enough to remove it all (e.g. Blade & Soul, TERA Online).
 

Thinker_145

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Nobody, including you until this post, was discussing 100" televisions. That is called moving the goalposts, and is a tactic almost solely deployed by the losing/wrong party.

You said:



Now, please point out the word alone...or any other word in the English language that happens to be a synonym of the word alone, in the post of yours that I quoted. My reply to your post, which you very obviously didn't understand was:



How about I reword that for you? Is your utterly brilliant mind able to come up with a way to calculate PPI, without using "what the resolution is (sic)"? If so, I'd love to hear it, lol. See, when Tential said what he did about resolution, he was assuming that you had the intellect to comprehend that that argument would only ever be made when referencing an identical, or at the very least very close to identical, sized monitor/television.
That guy said you don't need AA at 4k. Now there are 24" 4K screens at one end and 50" 4K screens on the other which is btw pretty common usage difference. 4K is a resolution sold on a vast no. of sizes.

That guy tried to portray that resolution alone determines the sharpness of an image. That is absolutely not true.

The sharpness of an image is determined by the PPI. Now PPI is determined by the resolution divided by the size of the screen. Just because someone has a 4K screen doesn't mean they have got a high PPI screen because the PPI of a 50" 4K screen is pretty standard for a computer monitor.

With computer games even when your PPI is very high you will still be able to see aliasing. You will still need AA on a smaller 4K screen.
 
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jj109

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Higher resolution also doesn't fix temporal aliasing. Need high frame rate and high resolution or some form of anti-aliasing.

Fast shader AA techniques are perfect for high resolutions. Increasingly ratcheting up the resolution past 4K/8K is an inefficient method to combat aliasing.
 
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Flapdrol1337

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I keep saying this... If GP106 has a 192-bit bus, then it will have 1536 CCs. It would be a very poorly balanced card to have only half the cores of GP104 while possessing 75% bus width and ROP throughput.
What if it's paired with 7 "GHz" memory? It would have about half the bandwidth of the 1080, and half the CC's.

Also, lower end parts usually have the gpu clocked slightly higher.
 

Keysplayr

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Nobody, including you until this post, was discussing 100" televisions. That is called moving the goalposts, and is a tactic almost solely deployed by the losing/wrong party.

You said:



Now, please point out the word alone...or any other word in the English language that happens to be a synonym of the word alone, in the post of yours that I quoted. My reply to your post, which you very obviously didn't understand was:



How about I reword that for you? Is your utterly brilliant mind able to come up with a way to calculate PPI, without using "what the resolution is (sic)"? If so, I'd love to hear it, lol. See, when Tential said what he did about resolution, he was assuming that you had the intellect to comprehend that that argument would only ever be made when referencing an identical, or at the very least very close to identical, sized monitor/television.

Dude, wtf? How can you not "get" what he is talking about? Why are you going over the top over one left out, but implied word? Too much man.
 

steve wilson

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